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100000% Agree. Here in Germany, I'm convinced the Police simply don't care about motorcycles with modified mufflers. The sound is deafening. In the last decade

100000% Agree. Here in Germany, I'm convinced the Police simply don't care about motorcycles with modified mufflers. The sound is deafening. In the last decade the noise has gotten worse and worse. Once one of those small penis motorcycle owners saw that I was covering my three year old child's ears as he passed by, and only then did he put his bike into neutral and walked it by us.

4gotunameagain 1y ago
Not every inconsiderate person is compensating for something. Some people just have different opinions from you about how to behave in public. And no, I don't have a loud motorcycle.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  Well, no, but, you know, common things are common. These, along with various other obnoxiously loud and/or big vehicles, are _strongly_ coded 'insecure man'. Not necessarily insecure about that in particular, of course, but insecure about something.
holowoodman 1y ago
Problem with motorcycles in Germany is, they are usually too fast for the police to catch with their car, and the helmet prevents usable photos of the driver. But unfortunately the laws require that the driver committing the speed/noise/redlight offense is identified and fined, fining the owner by license plate doesn't work (except if the bike was modified).
- herbst 1y ago
  Is that why some YouTubers started to make ads for a "sue your motorcycle speeding tickets invalid" company as if this is really working, because it is? Germany has such a specific way of making laws with holes.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    I'm not so sure that's actually true, because when you get a speeding ticket, the owner absolutely is fined. He has a right to identify the driver or just take it on himself.
    - herbst 1y ago
      If you Google "geblitzt anzweifeln" or something you find several companies doing exactly that. Most claim something like 50% of speeding tickets are wrong. One site claims they make 12% of their cases invalid. I really have no idea about all that. Just some absurdity I recently noticed.
    - holowoodman 1y ago
      The owner also has the right to refuse saying anything, in which case it is on the police to prove who the driver was. For cars, that's usually easy, because they just compare the ticket photo to your drivers license photo or passport photo on file. For motorcycles, the ticket photo is usually useless, so if the owner refuses to identify himself or someone else, and the police cannot prove anything, the motorcycle owner goes unticketed.
Etheryte 1y ago
As a biker, I hate these types of riders with a passion. All street legal bikes come out of the factory with reasonable sound levels, they have to go out of their way to specifically make it uncomfortable for everyone else. Pretty much every one of them is exactly the type of person you'd expect as well, insecure with an intelligence level comparable to a wooden spoon. Personally I tell nearly no one that I ride bikes, because the first assumption is always that you're one of those loud assholes.

4gotunameagain 1y ago

Not every inconsiderate person is compensating for something. Some people just have different opinions from you about how to behave in public. And no, I don't have a loud motorcycle.

rsynnott 1y ago
Well, no, but, you know, common things are common. These, along with various other obnoxiously loud and/or big vehicles, are _strongly_ coded 'insecure man'. Not necessarily insecure about that in particular, of course, but insecure about something.

holowoodman 1y ago

Problem with motorcycles in Germany is, they are usually too fast for the police to catch with their car, and the helmet prevents usable photos of the driver. But unfortunately the laws require that the driver committing the speed/noise/redlight offense is identified and fined, fining the owner by license plate doesn't work (except if the bike was modified).

herbst 1y ago
Is that why some YouTubers started to make ads for a "sue your motorcycle speeding tickets invalid" company as if this is really working, because it is? Germany has such a specific way of making laws with holes.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  I'm not so sure that's actually true, because when you get a speeding ticket, the owner absolutely is fined. He has a right to identify the driver or just take it on himself.
  - herbst 1y ago
    If you Google "geblitzt anzweifeln" or something you find several companies doing exactly that. Most claim something like 50% of speeding tickets are wrong. One site claims they make 12% of their cases invalid. I really have no idea about all that. Just some absurdity I recently noticed.
  - holowoodman 1y ago
    The owner also has the right to refuse saying anything, in which case it is on the police to prove who the driver was. For cars, that's usually easy, because they just compare the ticket photo to your drivers license photo or passport photo on file. For motorcycles, the ticket photo is usually useless, so if the owner refuses to identify himself or someone else, and the police cannot prove anything, the motorcycle owner goes unticketed.

Etheryte 1y ago

As a biker, I hate these types of riders with a passion. All street legal bikes come out of the factory with reasonable sound levels, they have to go out of their way to specifically make it uncomfortable for everyone else. Pretty much every one of them is exactly the type of person you'd expect as well, insecure with an intelligence level comparable to a wooden spoon. Personally I tell nearly no one that I ride bikes, because the first assumption is always that you're one of those loud assholes.