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It isn't the same operator overloading. In C++ operator overloading can easily mess with fundamental mechanisms, often intentionally; in Python it is usually n

It isn't the same operator overloading. In C++ operator overloading can easily mess with fundamental mechanisms, often intentionally; in Python it is usually no more dangerous than defining regular functions and usually employed purposefully for types that form nice algebraic structures.

pjmlp 1y ago
I hardly see the difference, given the capabilities of operator overloading in Python, class MyNum(int): def __add__ (self, other): return super().__add__(other) * 10 n = MyNum(12) a = 45 print(n + a) # oops
- HelloNurse 1y ago
  This type confusion would have been identical with a plain function, __add__ is only syntactic sugar: class MyNum(int): def ten_times_sum (self, other): return (self+other)* 10 n = MyNum(12) a = 45 print(n.ten_times_sum(a)) Compare with, for example, fouling the state of output streams from operator>> in C++.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    Hardly any different, trying to pretend Python is somehow better. Operator overload is indeed syntactic sugar for function calls, regardless of the language. By the way, you can overload >> in Python via rshift(), or __rshift__() methods.
    - HelloNurse 1y ago
      Of course I can overload >> in Python, but I cannot foul up output stream state because it doesn't exist. Formally there is little difference between C++ and Python operator overloading and both languages have good syntax for it, but C++ has many rough edges in the standard library and intrinsic complications that can make operator overloading much more interesting in practice. For instance, overload resolution is rarely trivial.
      - pjmlp 1y ago
        It is only one pip install away, if anyone bothers to make on such set of overloads.
        boxed 1y ago
        People don't though. That's the big difference. There's a certain taste in the Python community.
boxed 1y ago
It's the exact same thing except in Python the community largely has taste. In C++ `cout >> "foo"` exists in the standard library.
- quotemstr 1y ago
  I love how among a certain set the word "taste" has become an all-purpose substitute for having an argument or making a case. It basically means "I have more social media follows than you do, so I'm right"
  - boxed 1y ago
    I believe the C++ community as a whole are quite convinced that overloading >> for stdout was a mistake.

pjmlp 1y ago

I hardly see the difference, given the capabilities of operator overloading in Python, class MyNum(int): def __add__ (self, other): return super().__add__(other) * 10 n = MyNum(12) a = 45 print(n + a) # oops

HelloNurse 1y ago
This type confusion would have been identical with a plain function, __add__ is only syntactic sugar: class MyNum(int): def ten_times_sum (self, other): return (self+other)* 10 n = MyNum(12) a = 45 print(n.ten_times_sum(a)) Compare with, for example, fouling the state of output streams from operator>> in C++.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  Hardly any different, trying to pretend Python is somehow better. Operator overload is indeed syntactic sugar for function calls, regardless of the language. By the way, you can overload >> in Python via rshift(), or __rshift__() methods.
  - HelloNurse 1y ago
    Of course I can overload >> in Python, but I cannot foul up output stream state because it doesn't exist. Formally there is little difference between C++ and Python operator overloading and both languages have good syntax for it, but C++ has many rough edges in the standard library and intrinsic complications that can make operator overloading much more interesting in practice. For instance, overload resolution is rarely trivial.
    - pjmlp 1y ago
      It is only one pip install away, if anyone bothers to make on such set of overloads.
      - boxed 1y ago
        People don't though. That's the big difference. There's a certain taste in the Python community.

boxed 1y ago

It's the exact same thing except in Python the community largely has taste. In C++ `cout >> "foo"` exists in the standard library.

quotemstr 1y ago
I love how among a certain set the word "taste" has become an all-purpose substitute for having an argument or making a case. It basically means "I have more social media follows than you do, so I'm right"
- boxed 1y ago
  I believe the C++ community as a whole are quite convinced that overloading >> for stdout was a mistake.