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Aside from technical factors, there are social factors involved. For example, both Python and C++ has operator overloading. But in C++ that's horrible and you r

• HelloNurse 1y ago
  It isn't the same operator overloading. In C++ operator overloading can easily mess with fundamental mechanisms, often intentionally; in Python it is usually no more dangerous than defining regular functions and usually employed purposefully for types that form nice algebraic structures.
  • pjmlp 1y ago
    I hardly see the difference, given the capabilities of operator overloading in Python, class MyNum(int): def __add__ (self, other): return super().__add__(other) * 10 n = MyNum(12) a = 45 print(n + a) # oops
    • HelloNurse 1y ago
      This type confusion would have been identical with a plain function, __add__ is only syntactic sugar: class MyNum(int): def ten_times_sum (self, other): return (self+other)* 10 n = MyNum(12) a = 45 print(n.ten_times_sum(a)) Compare with, for example, fouling the state of output streams from operator>> in C++.
      • pjmlp 1y ago
        Hardly any different, trying to pretend Python is somehow better. Operator overload is indeed syntactic sugar for function calls, regardless of the language. By the way, you can overload >> in Python via rshift(), or __rshift__() methods.
        • HelloNurse 1y ago
          Of course I can overload >> in Python, but I cannot foul up output stream state because it doesn't exist. Formally there is little difference between C++ and Python operator overloading and both languages have good syntax for it, but C++ has many rough edges in the standard library and intrinsic complications that can make operator overloading much more interesting in practice. For instance, overload resolution is rarely trivial.
          • pjmlp 1y ago
            It is only one pip install away, if anyone bothers to make on such set of overloads.
            • boxed 1y ago
              People don't though. That's the big difference. There's a certain taste in the Python community.
  • boxed 1y ago
    It's the exact same thing except in Python the community largely has taste. In C++ `cout >> "foo"` exists in the standard library.
    • quotemstr 1y ago
      I love how among a certain set the word "taste" has become an all-purpose substitute for having an argument or making a case. It basically means "I have more social media follows than you do, so I'm right"
      • boxed 1y ago
        I believe the C++ community as a whole are quite convinced that overloading >> for stdout was a mistake.
• quotemstr 1y ago
  > Culture and taste. You mean accumulated prejudices, myths, and superstitions that most in any given community (programming language related or not) won't challenge for fear of being cast out of the group for heresy.
  • boxed 1y ago
    Err... no I mean the good taste not to overload >> for console output. There's no fear of being cast out, don't be silly.