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While I may only own a small part of Tesla, as a customer of their's, I want nothing more than the company to get rid of Elon and just become a normal, better c

by 827a 1y ago

While I may only own a small part of Tesla, as a customer of their's, I want nothing more than the company to get rid of Elon and just become a normal, better car company. While they yell about driverless cabs and robots that can serve popcorn to you, none of the music apps have gapless playback. There's multiple stretches of 100+ miles of highway around me that have no supercharging capability, and dozens upon dozens of major population centers that need to travel 150+ miles to get to a service center. You can get the Model Y in any color you want, as long as the color you want is one of the five colors it's always been available in. These and more are all real problems that they could improve to be a better car company; but they're obsessed with constantly leapfrogging themselves and throwing away every customer they've ever won, because now they're an energy company, wait no, they're a robotics company... I've stopped recommending Tesla to people, despite driving one. The company is way too unpredictable and unstable.

ajross 1y ago
> There's multiple stretches of 100+ miles of highway around me that have no supercharging capability Genuinely curious where this is? It's not anywhere on the US Interstate Highway network for sure (OK, fine maybe there are a handful of 120 mile stretches here and there). There are holes in the middle of the interior west, but you have to work really hard to get 100 miles from a supercharger. I mean, there are always legitimate criticisms to be made, but the breadth of the charging network is... quite frankly the best in the world?
- ianburrell 1y ago
  There are more divided highways than interstates. There are US highways like US-101 or states ones like CA-99. Also, all of the US and state highways are called highways, at least when not in towns, not just divided ones. There are areas of the west that have enough coverage for driving through but not for trips. You would be pushing it visiting the Wallowa Mountains in Oregon cause La Grande or Joseph only have slow chargers. Another is the "Loneliest Road in America", US-50 in Nevada, has 285 mile gap.
  - ajross 1y ago
    > There are US highways like US-101 or states ones like CA-99. Neither of which has anything but a vanishing fraction of areas more than 100 miles from a supercharger. Your other examples are real, though pretty spun. It's true! There are a handful of remote[1] areas[2] where EVs are still going to be... well, "less convenient" than a gas car. You can absolutely visit the Wallowas or transit Nevada in your Tesla, and people do. Claiming "The USA is really big and has a lot of uninhabited desert" as evidence for corporate mismanagement of Tesla is... really weird, honestly. [1] Just checked: the Pendleton charger to Wallowa Lake is 110 miles. So... not really "pushing it" except in a SR model 3. [2] They didn't name it "loneliest" because of EVs!
orionsbelt 1y ago
Fair points as a customer, but I think a stockholder would much rather Elon focus on robotics than gapless music playback.
- breve 1y ago
  Or just make better EVs. Tesla's not that competitive in charge speeds these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  That was an extremely weird criticism. I bet their rear passenger seats don't even have toothpick disinfection modules.
sakopov 1y ago
If Elon leaves, Tesla is cooked. Tesla nosedives every time his focus is on something else which is what's happened since he purchased Twitter, became a political activist and then left to work with Trump. The only reason Tesla trades at such high valuation is because of Elon and the cult following he built around the vision for the company. As soon as he's out of there the stock will lose all of its premium. Institutional investors like Ron Baron who are open supporters of Elon's vision will leave and the business will go to carmaker-like or negative margins. There is absolutely no evidence that Tesla can function at all without Elon but there is plenty of it floundering when he's not focused on it.
- breve 1y ago
  Musk's focus is always on something else. He doesn't work much at Tesla anymore. Tesla employees call him a "pigeon CEO": https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-tesla-manager/ https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-t...
- Larrikin 1y ago
  This sounds like all upside for the company eventually if it actually is capable of being a good car company. The stock goes down to the price of a car company and the company needs to focus on making good cars instead of wildly flailing around to different distractions.
  - enslavedrobot 1y ago
    So you're saying that existing shareholders should vote to shelve the company's plans to expand into autonomous driving, robotics and energy storage and convert the company into a traditional car company?
    - Larrikin 1y ago
      Yes. Camera only self driving is proving out to be a failure and the two other aspects should have been part of a different company. I don't own stock in Tesla so I don't care if the price drops while the company becomes a car company again.
duxup 1y ago
I assume the fear for stock holders is that without Elon people will evaluate the company like a regular car company and that would not be a net positive. I think they're in some sort of stock price suicide pact at this point.
JoeCortopassi 1y ago
This is some weird takes... - music apps and gapless playback: basically all major car manufacturer software is trash, I'd challenge you to find a car software that's better than Tesla - stretches without superchargers: to be clear, not stretches without places you can charge the car, right? Just places where Tesla's fast charging stations exist. Tesla has an order of magnitude more of these type of stations than any other similar network - Service centers: I have no knowledge here. From how silly the other arguments are, I kind of assume that this isn't fully true, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it's true. Not awesome, definitely an area they need to get better in. But lets not forget, major manufacturer service centers are not exactly know for being quick/good/cheap - Color options: I guess it would be cool to have truly custom colors, but basically every mainstream car ever has had a limited set of colors to choose from, and individual dealerships almost never have every color of that limited set available And the answer is to have them become like a normal car company? That's not an industry thats exactly excelling at the very points you're bringing up. You're obviously free to have your take, but we are at peak "Elon is the wurst". Hard to take this stuff seriously
- cyberax 1y ago
  > - music apps and gapless playback: basically all major car manufacturer software is trash, I'd challenge you to find a car software that's better than Tesla Easy: _any_ car with Android Auto or CarPlay. Including a 10-year-old Toyota.

by 827a 1y ago

ajross 1y ago

> There's multiple stretches of 100+ miles of highway around me that have no supercharging capability Genuinely curious where this is? It's not anywhere on the US Interstate Highway network for sure (OK, fine maybe there are a handful of 120 mile stretches here and there). There are holes in the middle of the interior west, but you have to work really hard to get 100 miles from a supercharger. I mean, there are always legitimate criticisms to be made, but the breadth of the charging network is... quite frankly the best in the world?

ianburrell 1y ago
There are more divided highways than interstates. There are US highways like US-101 or states ones like CA-99. Also, all of the US and state highways are called highways, at least when not in towns, not just divided ones. There are areas of the west that have enough coverage for driving through but not for trips. You would be pushing it visiting the Wallowa Mountains in Oregon cause La Grande or Joseph only have slow chargers. Another is the "Loneliest Road in America", US-50 in Nevada, has 285 mile gap.
- ajross 1y ago
  > There are US highways like US-101 or states ones like CA-99. Neither of which has anything but a vanishing fraction of areas more than 100 miles from a supercharger. Your other examples are real, though pretty spun. It's true! There are a handful of remote[1] areas[2] where EVs are still going to be... well, "less convenient" than a gas car. You can absolutely visit the Wallowas or transit Nevada in your Tesla, and people do. Claiming "The USA is really big and has a lot of uninhabited desert" as evidence for corporate mismanagement of Tesla is... really weird, honestly. [1] Just checked: the Pendleton charger to Wallowa Lake is 110 miles. So... not really "pushing it" except in a SR model 3. [2] They didn't name it "loneliest" because of EVs!

orionsbelt 1y ago

Fair points as a customer, but I think a stockholder would much rather Elon focus on robotics than gapless music playback.

breve 1y ago
Or just make better EVs. Tesla's not that competitive in charge speeds these days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy46Ag0djjk
IAmBroom 1y ago
That was an extremely weird criticism. I bet their rear passenger seats don't even have toothpick disinfection modules.

sakopov 1y ago

If Elon leaves, Tesla is cooked. Tesla nosedives every time his focus is on something else which is what's happened since he purchased Twitter, became a political activist and then left to work with Trump. The only reason Tesla trades at such high valuation is because of Elon and the cult following he built around the vision for the company. As soon as he's out of there the stock will lose all of its premium. Institutional investors like Ron Baron who are open supporters of Elon's vision will leave and the business will go to carmaker-like or negative margins. There is absolutely no evidence that Tesla can function at all without Elon but there is plenty of it floundering when he's not focused on it.

breve 1y ago
Musk's focus is always on something else. He doesn't work much at Tesla anymore. Tesla employees call him a "pigeon CEO": https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-tesla-manager/ https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-t...
Larrikin 1y ago
This sounds like all upside for the company eventually if it actually is capable of being a good car company. The stock goes down to the price of a car company and the company needs to focus on making good cars instead of wildly flailing around to different distractions.
- enslavedrobot 1y ago
  So you're saying that existing shareholders should vote to shelve the company's plans to expand into autonomous driving, robotics and energy storage and convert the company into a traditional car company?
  - Larrikin 1y ago
    Yes. Camera only self driving is proving out to be a failure and the two other aspects should have been part of a different company. I don't own stock in Tesla so I don't care if the price drops while the company becomes a car company again.

duxup 1y ago

I assume the fear for stock holders is that without Elon people will evaluate the company like a regular car company and that would not be a net positive. I think they're in some sort of stock price suicide pact at this point.

JoeCortopassi 1y ago

This is some weird takes... - music apps and gapless playback: basically all major car manufacturer software is trash, I'd challenge you to find a car software that's better than Tesla - stretches without superchargers: to be clear, not stretches without places you can charge the car, right? Just places where Tesla's fast charging stations exist. Tesla has an order of magnitude more of these type of stations than any other similar network - Service centers: I have no knowledge here. From how silly the other arguments are, I kind of assume that this isn't fully true, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it's true. Not awesome, definitely an area they need to get better in. But lets not forget, major manufacturer service centers are not exactly know for being quick/good/cheap - Color options: I guess it would be cool to have truly custom colors, but basically every mainstream car ever has had a limited set of colors to choose from, and individual dealerships almost never have every color of that limited set available And the answer is to have them become like a normal car company? That's not an industry thats exactly excelling at the very points you're bringing up. You're obviously free to have your take, but we are at peak "Elon is the wurst". Hard to take this stuff seriously

cyberax 1y ago
> - music apps and gapless playback: basically all major car manufacturer software is trash, I'd challenge you to find a car software that's better than Tesla Easy: _any_ car with Android Auto or CarPlay. Including a 10-year-old Toyota.