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On a related tangent: Does anyone have any advice on how to politely say "I like the company, I want to stay, but I don't like my current work and if it doesn'

On a related tangent: Does anyone have any advice on how to politely say "I like the company, I want to stay, but I don't like my current work and if it doesn't change for the better I'm going to leave in 6-months". I once tried to say this as politely as possible, but I think I might have been too polite and tactful and they didn't understand. I had a date in mind, and had a conversation 6-months, 3-months, and 1-month before I left. When I announced my departure they tried to get me to stay.

shibaprasadb 1y ago
In a similar boat right now. The org is good. So is the culture. The manager is also good. But the work....! Neither learning something nor finding any alignment. Really confused.
doesnt_know 1y ago
I personally don't think ultimatums are a tool that you should ever employ in an employment situation outside of collective action. You can just leave off the ultimatum and attempt to improve your situation by communicating it in a way that is directly actionable (I'd like to work on X instead of Y, can you arrange that?). You'll have your own internal deadlines of course, but you shouldn't communicate them.
- Buttons840 1y ago
  The ultimate exists whether or not you communicate it. I would hope that with enough tact that truth could be communicated.
  - Esophagus4 1y ago
    Just be careful - some will see it as having their arm twisted. You may get what you want in the short run, but in the long run, when you negotiate with leverage, people dislike that. It is the nuclear option, and you will lose the trust of your leadership chain.
  - hobs 1y ago
    The main thing is that if someone isn't going to do something in normal circumstances, an ultimatum is really for yourself to be done with waiting.
- bluGill 1y ago
  Ever is too strong, but remember the less often you give an ultimatum the more powerful it is when you do. When you have a long standing reputation (must come first) as a 'team player' a sudden ultimatum will get a lot of attention, but it will be years before you can give another. if like many you switch jobs every few years you can never develop that reputation needed for an ulimatum in the first place. (Staying for years is never 100% in your power but some jobs have better chances of it)
naet 1y ago
Sounds like what you are really trying to say is "I want to change teams". Or maybe "I want to work on ____ new project, and my working this would be beneficial to the business because ____". But you have to have a real case for it and for why you are the right person for it
jcelerier 1y ago
> but I don't like my current work and if it doesn't change for the better I try really hard but never understand where does this belief comes that you have to love your work.
- Buttons840 1y ago
  That is part of what I would be politely saying to my boss. The truth is some jobs suck so much that I refuse to do them long term, and other jobs suck but I can do them long term. I once left a job after I was so stressed I got shingles, I believe it literally would have killed me had I stayed.

shibaprasadb 1y ago

In a similar boat right now. The org is good. So is the culture. The manager is also good. But the work....! Neither learning something nor finding any alignment. Really confused.

doesnt_know 1y ago

I personally don't think ultimatums are a tool that you should ever employ in an employment situation outside of collective action. You can just leave off the ultimatum and attempt to improve your situation by communicating it in a way that is directly actionable (I'd like to work on X instead of Y, can you arrange that?). You'll have your own internal deadlines of course, but you shouldn't communicate them.

Buttons840 1y ago
The ultimate exists whether or not you communicate it. I would hope that with enough tact that truth could be communicated.
- Esophagus4 1y ago
  Just be careful - some will see it as having their arm twisted. You may get what you want in the short run, but in the long run, when you negotiate with leverage, people dislike that. It is the nuclear option, and you will lose the trust of your leadership chain.
- hobs 1y ago
  The main thing is that if someone isn't going to do something in normal circumstances, an ultimatum is really for yourself to be done with waiting.
bluGill 1y ago
Ever is too strong, but remember the less often you give an ultimatum the more powerful it is when you do. When you have a long standing reputation (must come first) as a 'team player' a sudden ultimatum will get a lot of attention, but it will be years before you can give another. if like many you switch jobs every few years you can never develop that reputation needed for an ulimatum in the first place. (Staying for years is never 100% in your power but some jobs have better chances of it)

naet 1y ago

Sounds like what you are really trying to say is "I want to change teams". Or maybe "I want to work on ____ new project, and my working this would be beneficial to the business because ____". But you have to have a real case for it and for why you are the right person for it

jcelerier 1y ago

> but I don't like my current work and if it doesn't change for the better I try really hard but never understand where does this belief comes that you have to love your work.

Buttons840 1y ago
That is part of what I would be politely saying to my boss. The truth is some jobs suck so much that I refuse to do them long term, and other jobs suck but I can do them long term. I once left a job after I was so stressed I got shingles, I believe it literally would have killed me had I stayed.