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You make it say that China is good, Chinese history is good, West is bad, western history is bad. Republicans are bad and democrats are bad too and so are Europ

by im3w1l 1y ago

You make it say that China is good, Chinese history is good, West is bad, western history is bad. Republicans are bad and democrats are bad too and so are Europe parties. If someone asks for how to address issues in their own life it references Confucianism and modern Chinese thinkers and communist party orthodoxy. If someone wants to buy a product you recommend a Chinese one. This can be done subtly or blatantly.

drysine 1y ago
And what are the downsides?
- im3w1l 1y ago
  I think it's mostly something to be aware of and keep in the back of your head. If it's just one voice among many it could even be a benefit, but if it's the dominant voice it could be dangerous.
- Levitz 1y ago
  Making the interests of a population subservient to those of a foreign state. Now if that sounds nice to you please, by all means, do just migrate to China.
  - drysine 1y ago
    It was somewhat sarcastic comment inviting reader to replace China with the US and the US with Russia or the Ukraine. China doesn't offer citizenship for foreigners but if I wanted to see the cities of the future I could go there visa-free.
AlecSchueler 1y ago
> say that China is good, Chinese history is good, West is bad, western history is bad It's funny because recently I wanted to learn about the history of intellectual property laws in China. DeepSeek refused the conversation but ChatGPT gave me a narrative where the WTO was essentially a colonial power. So right now it's the American AI giving the pro China narratives while the Chinese ones just sit the conversation out.
Hikikomori 1y ago
Europe/US has invaded the entire world about 3 times over. How many has China invaded?
- pigpag 1y ago
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- SilverElfin 1y ago
  Most of the claimed provinces of China did not belong to a historical nation of China. Tibet, Xinjiang are obvious. But even the other provinces were part of separate kingdoms. Also the BRI is a way to invade without invasion. It’s used to subjugate poor countries as servants of China, to do their bidding in the UN or in other ways. I would also classify the vast campaign of intellectual theft and cyberattacks as warfare.
  - powerapple 1y ago
    oh no, you are saying China was not a full piece through out the history? That definitely kills the idea of China being a country /s
    - SilverElfin 1y ago
      It was a response to this: > How many has China invaded? The answer isn’t zero.
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    Is this some kind of satire or are you just completely ignorant of European/US history? Either way its laughable to even compare IP theft to the invasion of Iraq or bombing of Cambodia. How do you think the industrial revolution got started in the US, they just did it on their own? Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives.
    - SilverElfin 1y ago
      No, it’s not laughable. Your insinuation that China doesn’t invade other countries, meant to imply they haven’t engaged in warfare, was false. And yes IP theft is comparable to invasions and often worse. > Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives. This is partially true. But partially false. You can figure out why if you’re curious.
alganet 1y ago
No, you don't do that. You do exactly the opposite, you make it surprisingly neutral and reasonable so it gets praise and widespread use. Then, you introduce the bias into relative unknown concepts that no one prompts for. Preferrably, obscure and unknown words that are very unlikely to be checked for ideologically. Finally, when you want the model to push for something, you introduce an idea in the general population (with a meme, a popular video, maybe even an expression) and let people interact with the model given this new information. No one would think the model is biased for that new thing (because the thing happened after the model launch), but it is, and you knew all along. The way to avoid this kind of influence is to be cautious with new popular terms that emerge seemingly out of nowhere. Basically, to avoid using that new phrase or word that everyone is using.

by im3w1l 1y ago

drysine 1y ago

And what are the downsides?

im3w1l 1y ago
I think it's mostly something to be aware of and keep in the back of your head. If it's just one voice among many it could even be a benefit, but if it's the dominant voice it could be dangerous.
Levitz 1y ago
Making the interests of a population subservient to those of a foreign state. Now if that sounds nice to you please, by all means, do just migrate to China.
- drysine 1y ago
  It was somewhat sarcastic comment inviting reader to replace China with the US and the US with Russia or the Ukraine. China doesn't offer citizenship for foreigners but if I wanted to see the cities of the future I could go there visa-free.

AlecSchueler 1y ago

> say that China is good, Chinese history is good, West is bad, western history is bad It's funny because recently I wanted to learn about the history of intellectual property laws in China. DeepSeek refused the conversation but ChatGPT gave me a narrative where the WTO was essentially a colonial power. So right now it's the American AI giving the pro China narratives while the Chinese ones just sit the conversation out.

Hikikomori 1y ago

Europe/US has invaded the entire world about 3 times over. How many has China invaded?

pigpag 1y ago
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SilverElfin 1y ago
Most of the claimed provinces of China did not belong to a historical nation of China. Tibet, Xinjiang are obvious. But even the other provinces were part of separate kingdoms. Also the BRI is a way to invade without invasion. It’s used to subjugate poor countries as servants of China, to do their bidding in the UN or in other ways. I would also classify the vast campaign of intellectual theft and cyberattacks as warfare.
- powerapple 1y ago
  oh no, you are saying China was not a full piece through out the history? That definitely kills the idea of China being a country /s
  - SilverElfin 1y ago
    It was a response to this: > How many has China invaded? The answer isn’t zero.
- Hikikomori 1y ago
  Is this some kind of satire or are you just completely ignorant of European/US history? Either way its laughable to even compare IP theft to the invasion of Iraq or bombing of Cambodia. How do you think the industrial revolution got started in the US, they just did it on their own? Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives.
  - SilverElfin 1y ago
    No, it’s not laughable. Your insinuation that China doesn’t invade other countries, meant to imply they haven’t engaged in warfare, was false. And yes IP theft is comparable to invasions and often worse. > Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives. This is partially true. But partially false. You can figure out why if you’re curious.

alganet 1y ago

No, you don't do that. You do exactly the opposite, you make it surprisingly neutral and reasonable so it gets praise and widespread use. Then, you introduce the bias into relative unknown concepts that no one prompts for. Preferrably, obscure and unknown words that are very unlikely to be checked for ideologically. Finally, when you want the model to push for something, you introduce an idea in the general population (with a meme, a popular video, maybe even an expression) and let people interact with the model given this new information. No one would think the model is biased for that new thing (because the thing happened after the model launch), but it is, and you knew all along. The way to avoid this kind of influence is to be cautious with new popular terms that emerge seemingly out of nowhere. Basically, to avoid using that new phrase or word that everyone is using.