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I'm not implicitly asserting that: the actual data I provided was about homicides exclusively. Please click the link to see for yourself. Meanwhile, you have n

by radlad 1y ago

I'm not implicitly asserting that: the actual data I provided was about homicides exclusively. Please click the link to see for yourself. Meanwhile, you have not cited your 20% statistic. > And even so, this is still newsworthy for the reasons I mentioned. I'm not sure why you ignored my other counters on why those reasons don't make it newsworthy.

dijit 1y ago
it’s actually 9.7%, so thanks for making me check that. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/expanded-homicide https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-... Your other points largely don’t help your case either, the point was a combination of the brutality, randomness, her already “tragic” backstory (fleeing war for safety in the US) and as a minor aside potentially the fact that it was racially aggravated. It’s alarming to me that you think it’s not newsworthy, these are hopefully not common situations like you imply, if it is then I understand people’s unwillingness to use public transport in the US.
- radlad 1y ago
  I think we might disagree on what uncommon characteristics make something worthy of national or international news. Again, this type of violence - both death by knives and attacks by the mentally ill - is unfortunately somewhat common in the US, and I've shared statistics showing this. (The US is huge - I'm not sure you're appreciating that it's a country with 40x the population of Sweden!) This did make the local city and state news, which seems appropriate! In fact, national news stories were run too - the issue from the right is: not enough stories. Of course, as soon as I say it's somewhat common, I must also point out that even if occurrences happen multiple times daily, the incidence rate towards any individual is extremely low. People aren't being murdered left and right but a number are killed each day. It is a BIG country. And maybe this fact should be newsworthy! A lot of the left thinks it should - and that we should be more careful about giving weapons out, including to those diagnosed with mental illness, and offer mental health services and medicarions. The right's quick to point out that knives can kill too. But then they defund social services for mental health (see the Big Beautiful Bill as a recent example.) This is a place the left and right could join forces, but instead the right chooses to complain about the media and stole divisiveness instead of solving the problem (keep in mind - Republicans have FULL control of our federal government right now.) Regardless, I don't see why the victim's nationality (or upbringing, or gender, or attractiveness) make this newsworthy. Or why she has received more news coverage than the most recent school shooting.
  - dijit 1y ago
    Daniel Penny was considered newsworthy.
    - radlad 1y ago
      I'm not going to respond to something so dismissive. I can see you're no longer interested in engaging. Cheers.
      - dijit 1y ago
        I don't understand why they're considered different; if one is newsworthy to a side and the other is somehow not then I'd like to understand- clearly I have missed something? I believe that you are being told by your media bubble that Iryna Zarutska and Jordan Neely are different. Help me understand why, what are they telling you?
        radlad 1y ago
        > Clearly you are being told that Iryna Zarutska and Jordan Neely are different. This is no longer coming from a place of curiosity, but a presumption of superiority. If you assume I am simply brainwashed and have nothing worthwhile to say, there's no point continuing this discussion. Feel free to message me off HN if you change your mind.
        dijit 1y ago
        There's just me and you here, nobody is reading this thread anymore. I think you don't have an answer for what I'm saying because your mind has gone into "I am attacked, must defend myself" mode - and this is because you've been told to believe that only villains are talking about Iryna, and only Hero's are talking about Jordan. I'm not attacking you, and I am curious. To me Iryna Zarutska is newsworthy, in all the ways I explained. Jordan Neely was publicised widely despite it being much less harrowing and random; so I'm genuinely curious as to why. This isn't a "gotcha". Help me understand how you reconcile this - or if you don't, then fair play and I hope you at least understand that you are not immune to propaganda either.

by radlad 1y ago

dijit 1y ago

it’s actually 9.7%, so thanks for making me check that. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/topic-pages/expanded-homicide https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-... Your other points largely don’t help your case either, the point was a combination of the brutality, randomness, her already “tragic” backstory (fleeing war for safety in the US) and as a minor aside potentially the fact that it was racially aggravated. It’s alarming to me that you think it’s not newsworthy, these are hopefully not common situations like you imply, if it is then I understand people’s unwillingness to use public transport in the US.

radlad 1y ago
I think we might disagree on what uncommon characteristics make something worthy of national or international news. Again, this type of violence - both death by knives and attacks by the mentally ill - is unfortunately somewhat common in the US, and I've shared statistics showing this. (The US is huge - I'm not sure you're appreciating that it's a country with 40x the population of Sweden!) This did make the local city and state news, which seems appropriate! In fact, national news stories were run too - the issue from the right is: not enough stories. Of course, as soon as I say it's somewhat common, I must also point out that even if occurrences happen multiple times daily, the incidence rate towards any individual is extremely low. People aren't being murdered left and right but a number are killed each day. It is a BIG country. And maybe this fact should be newsworthy! A lot of the left thinks it should - and that we should be more careful about giving weapons out, including to those diagnosed with mental illness, and offer mental health services and medicarions. The right's quick to point out that knives can kill too. But then they defund social services for mental health (see the Big Beautiful Bill as a recent example.) This is a place the left and right could join forces, but instead the right chooses to complain about the media and stole divisiveness instead of solving the problem (keep in mind - Republicans have FULL control of our federal government right now.) Regardless, I don't see why the victim's nationality (or upbringing, or gender, or attractiveness) make this newsworthy. Or why she has received more news coverage than the most recent school shooting.
- dijit 1y ago
  Daniel Penny was considered newsworthy.
  - radlad 1y ago
    I'm not going to respond to something so dismissive. I can see you're no longer interested in engaging. Cheers.
    - dijit 1y ago
      I don't understand why they're considered different; if one is newsworthy to a side and the other is somehow not then I'd like to understand- clearly I have missed something? I believe that you are being told by your media bubble that Iryna Zarutska and Jordan Neely are different. Help me understand why, what are they telling you?
      - radlad 1y ago
        > Clearly you are being told that Iryna Zarutska and Jordan Neely are different. This is no longer coming from a place of curiosity, but a presumption of superiority. If you assume I am simply brainwashed and have nothing worthwhile to say, there's no point continuing this discussion. Feel free to message me off HN if you change your mind.
        dijit 1y ago
        There's just me and you here, nobody is reading this thread anymore. I think you don't have an answer for what I'm saying because your mind has gone into "I am attacked, must defend myself" mode - and this is because you've been told to believe that only villains are talking about Iryna, and only Hero's are talking about Jordan. I'm not attacking you, and I am curious. To me Iryna Zarutska is newsworthy, in all the ways I explained. Jordan Neely was publicised widely despite it being much less harrowing and random; so I'm genuinely curious as to why. This isn't a "gotcha". Help me understand how you reconcile this - or if you don't, then fair play and I hope you at least understand that you are not immune to propaganda either.