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I am five four as is my wife. I can’t imagine being tall and not paying for seats with more legroom.

by raw_anon_1111 1y ago

saltcured 1y ago
How would you feel being charged extra for a seat that permits short people to be safely transported?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > safely transported? We’re talking about comfort, not safety. (I am struggling to find any reported injuries from reclining accidents.)
  - collingreen 1y ago
    Focusing on this instead of the point (how would you feel if X happened to you instead) feels very corporate America. We're talking about safety, not comfort! They can survive on low oxygen under the plane so put some seats down there!
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Focusing on this instead of the point (how would you feel if X happened to you instead) I’m 6’. My partner is 6’ 7”. I’d prefer to not have to pay extra for more legroom. I’d also prefer to not pay for anything else in my life. Conflating safety and comfort in the context of an airline is incredibly disingenuous. I’m as safe as I’m miserable flying middle seat economy. I’m also in that position because I preferred to spend my dollars on something else.
  - saltcured 1y ago
    Comfort crosses over into safety when it changes the odds of DVTs in the legs etc.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Comfort crosses over into safety when it changes the odds of DVTs Do we have any evidence this varies based on reclining and leg room relative to height? If so, you absolutely have a point, possibly legally under the ADA.
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  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    My knees regularly get agonizingly crushed from reclining seats, enough that I have screamed. At one point it was so bad I even bought a device that prevents the seat in front from reclining, until they got banned. Also got a macbook pro screen crushed from a reclining seat once... nobody cared.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > My knees regularly get agonizingly crushed from reclining seats, enough that I have screamed Was there injury? Was your ability to exit in an emergency impaired? If so, there might be a safety issue. Being in non-injurious pain is uncomfortable and annoying and it sucks, but it's not fairly characterised as a safety issue any more than getting a neck crick from a lack of lay-flat seating counts as a safety issue.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  By the end of the year, my wife and I will have flown over a dozen times - mostly domestic and short flights. I never pay for the cheapest seats nor do I fly budget airlines.
  - kstrauser 1y ago
    Congratulations on your wealthy status. You do understand that not everyone can do that, as evidenced by the fact that airplanes have a very small number of extra-comfort seats compared to basic economy seating?
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      Not wealthy at all. We downsized from a big house in the burbs to a condo 1/3 the size in state tax free Florida, we have one relatively cheap car that was 2/3rd the median price of a new car in the US, and we churn credit cards for points and use a few other tricks.
jmward01 1y ago
there is such a thing as reasonable accommodation for reasonable body types. That being said, the enemy here is airlines, not other passengers. The thing that makes me angry is how well airlines have turned this discussion from 'we just destroyed your comfort and provide horrible service' to 'it is the other passengers that are terrible people and you should get angry at them'
- tayo42 1y ago
  Alternatively we would all be paying extra legroom price for seats then though.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  Should they also rearrange seats so 600 pound people can fly or just keep making them pay for two seats? No the 600 pounds is not hyperbole
  - jmward01 1y ago
    'reasonable' is the keyword here. I do not expect an airline to provide medical care on a flight but I do expect some level of accommodation for people with medical issues. We have crosswalks that acknowledge the blind but streets that are still far from perfectly accommodating for them. There is no 'perfect' but there is reasonable accommodation and there is a discussion what 'reasonable' is and what a 'reasonable' accommodation for extreme bodies are. I personally don't find it objectionable to require two seats to be purchased for someone that is that far away from average, but there is a discussion to be had for sure. For instance, how common is it? If it is pretty uncommon then just providing two seats, without extra cost, is probably the easiest thing for all parties involved since special cases are expensive. But now we are, again, playing the airline's games. 'blame the outlier', 'blame a passenger', 'blame security theater'. In the end they want us to blame everyone but them for the terrible service they provide. I have been stranded twice out of the last 5 times I flew because they didn't make their schedule. One of those times I had to sleep on the airport floor and had no compensation or even an 'I'm sorry' from the airline. Their bad, unprofessional and unacceptable level of service needs to end and the core of the problem is the airlines. Not the passengers.
Someone1234 1y ago
You can't imagine that being tall doesn't automatically make people wealthy? On the last flight I took, an Economy+ seat with more legroom, was over 250% more expensive. It came with no additional perks, just legroom.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  Flying is a privilege unless it’s an emergency. I pay for all sorts of conveniences when I fly. I alsopp think parents of small children shouldn’t be able to buy seats where they can’t choose their seats forcing others who did pay for the right to choose their seat to have to move.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  Thank you! I was on a business trip. I could have paid an extra $500 out of pocket over the tickets the company paid for. I wasn’t asking to be super comfortable in the cheap seats. I just wanted to get from A to B without being hurt.
kstrauser 1y ago
I’m 6’0”, just run of the mill tall, not basketball player stratospheric. The notion that someone within 1 standard deviation of the mean should pay extra not to be in pain is ridiculous.

I am five four as is my wife. I can’t imagine being tall and not paying for seats with more legroom.

saltcured 1y ago

How would you feel being charged extra for a seat that permits short people to be safely transported?

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> safely transported? We’re talking about comfort, not safety. (I am struggling to find any reported injuries from reclining accidents.)
- collingreen 1y ago
  Focusing on this instead of the point (how would you feel if X happened to you instead) feels very corporate America. We're talking about safety, not comfort! They can survive on low oxygen under the plane so put some seats down there!
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Focusing on this instead of the point (how would you feel if X happened to you instead) I’m 6’. My partner is 6’ 7”. I’d prefer to not have to pay extra for more legroom. I’d also prefer to not pay for anything else in my life. Conflating safety and comfort in the context of an airline is incredibly disingenuous. I’m as safe as I’m miserable flying middle seat economy. I’m also in that position because I preferred to spend my dollars on something else.
- saltcured 1y ago
  Comfort crosses over into safety when it changes the odds of DVTs in the legs etc.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Comfort crosses over into safety when it changes the odds of DVTs Do we have any evidence this varies based on reclining and leg room relative to height? If so, you absolutely have a point, possibly legally under the ADA.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  My knees regularly get agonizingly crushed from reclining seats, enough that I have screamed. At one point it was so bad I even bought a device that prevents the seat in front from reclining, until they got banned. Also got a macbook pro screen crushed from a reclining seat once... nobody cared.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > My knees regularly get agonizingly crushed from reclining seats, enough that I have screamed Was there injury? Was your ability to exit in an emergency impaired? If so, there might be a safety issue. Being in non-injurious pain is uncomfortable and annoying and it sucks, but it's not fairly characterised as a safety issue any more than getting a neck crick from a lack of lay-flat seating counts as a safety issue.
raw_anon_1111 1y ago
By the end of the year, my wife and I will have flown over a dozen times - mostly domestic and short flights. I never pay for the cheapest seats nor do I fly budget airlines.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  Congratulations on your wealthy status. You do understand that not everyone can do that, as evidenced by the fact that airplanes have a very small number of extra-comfort seats compared to basic economy seating?
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    Not wealthy at all. We downsized from a big house in the burbs to a condo 1/3 the size in state tax free Florida, we have one relatively cheap car that was 2/3rd the median price of a new car in the US, and we churn credit cards for points and use a few other tricks.

jmward01 1y ago

there is such a thing as reasonable accommodation for reasonable body types. That being said, the enemy here is airlines, not other passengers. The thing that makes me angry is how well airlines have turned this discussion from 'we just destroyed your comfort and provide horrible service' to 'it is the other passengers that are terrible people and you should get angry at them'

tayo42 1y ago
Alternatively we would all be paying extra legroom price for seats then though.
raw_anon_1111 1y ago
Should they also rearrange seats so 600 pound people can fly or just keep making them pay for two seats? No the 600 pounds is not hyperbole
- jmward01 1y ago
  'reasonable' is the keyword here. I do not expect an airline to provide medical care on a flight but I do expect some level of accommodation for people with medical issues. We have crosswalks that acknowledge the blind but streets that are still far from perfectly accommodating for them. There is no 'perfect' but there is reasonable accommodation and there is a discussion what 'reasonable' is and what a 'reasonable' accommodation for extreme bodies are. I personally don't find it objectionable to require two seats to be purchased for someone that is that far away from average, but there is a discussion to be had for sure. For instance, how common is it? If it is pretty uncommon then just providing two seats, without extra cost, is probably the easiest thing for all parties involved since special cases are expensive. But now we are, again, playing the airline's games. 'blame the outlier', 'blame a passenger', 'blame security theater'. In the end they want us to blame everyone but them for the terrible service they provide. I have been stranded twice out of the last 5 times I flew because they didn't make their schedule. One of those times I had to sleep on the airport floor and had no compensation or even an 'I'm sorry' from the airline. Their bad, unprofessional and unacceptable level of service needs to end and the core of the problem is the airlines. Not the passengers.

Someone1234 1y ago

You can't imagine that being tall doesn't automatically make people wealthy? On the last flight I took, an Economy+ seat with more legroom, was over 250% more expensive. It came with no additional perks, just legroom.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago
Flying is a privilege unless it’s an emergency. I pay for all sorts of conveniences when I fly. I alsopp think parents of small children shouldn’t be able to buy seats where they can’t choose their seats forcing others who did pay for the right to choose their seat to have to move.
kstrauser 1y ago
Thank you! I was on a business trip. I could have paid an extra $500 out of pocket over the tickets the company paid for. I wasn’t asking to be super comfortable in the cheap seats. I just wanted to get from A to B without being hurt.

kstrauser 1y ago

I’m 6’0”, just run of the mill tall, not basketball player stratospheric. The notion that someone within 1 standard deviation of the mean should pay extra not to be in pain is ridiculous.