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The comment above was being downvoted quite a lot, and I'd quite like to know why. It seems reasonable to ensure that IPv6 works as a basic requirement for new
by rwmj 1y ago
The comment above was being downvoted quite a lot, and I'd quite like to know why. It seems reasonable to ensure that IPv6 works as a basic requirement for new projects (at least, ones which can be connected to a network).
- slackfan 1y agoThe bell curve of engineering skill dictates that most don't want any new ideas that are outside their bubble.
- vachina 1y agoIf something takes 10x the effort for 0x the return most will not do it.
- dingnuts 1y agoif the Internet actually managed to move to v6 the end of NAT and CGNAT would be a huge win. Also, look at the price of every v4 address you have to rent, and compare it to v6 and tell me there's no return. I've practically built an entire career out of finding ways for customers to use fewer v4 addresses and the demand is there because v4 addresses are expensive as shit due to their scarcity.
- rwmj 1y agoI agree there is definitely more work required to get something working with IPv6 (though not 10x). However to say that doing this is "0 x the return". You're ignoring a solid third to half of the broad internet, which is not nothing. Plus if you're trying to sell to me then I'm definitely not going to adopt your product if you've made no effort on IPv6.
- IgorPartola 1y agoIt takes as much or less effort than IPv4. And sorry if you set up networks and don’t know how to do that with IPv6, you shouldn’t be doing what you are doing. If it takes you 10x as much effort to set up something that is actively simpler, you need an education or a career change.
- morshu9001 1y agoThere are many new projects that are ipv4-only, and it doesn't mean they failed.
- IgorPartola 1y agoIf you created a token ring network for your K8s cluster and it worked fine I wouldn’t say you failed. But I would say you are not doing the right things. This is the same. IPv4 is deprecated. Stop using it for things like your AWS VPC. If it doesn’t work aggressively file bug reports.
- morshu9001 1y agoOr, I can focus on getting the project done. If IPv6 is a requirement then I'll do it, no complaints. Chasing nice-to-haves is how the project explodes in complexity. Which btw, is what ipv6 did. They just needed to enlarge the address space, instead it became a whole redesign that was not only harder to adopt but also inherently more complicated than v4 (aside from removing fragmenting). So I wouldn't even say it's the right thing, it's just what someone else wants. Maybe a compromise will be reached in v7, like v6 packet format that otherwise acts like v4 and carries over the old /32s.
- IgorPartola 1y agoOh my god are we back to trying to cram 8 bytes of data into a 4 byte field? You’d think people on a site called Hacker News would understand basic arithmetic.
- morshu9001 1y ago"ipv6 packet format" means 16 byte addr. Don't talk down to people.
- IgorPartola 1y agoYou are right but 8 bytes into 4 bytes sounded more on illustrative in my head. And while I try to make a point to be kind to people who do not know things, if you choose to express a clearly nonsensical opinion in such strong terms, on a forum that has discussed to death how you cannot cram more addresses into an IPv4 header, and something you can check for yourself so easily, yeah sorry you deserve a terse response of that’s not how bytes work. You did not bother to do 60 seconds of education before spouting this tired nonsense.