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Bad faith = trying to normalize bad faith behavior. > If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail

Bad faith = trying to normalize bad faith behavior. > If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail. Posts like these = trying to stop unethical people from copyright (copyleft) washing. Telling people writing these posts that it's the new normal is basically saying they are doing pointless thing, while they are doing something very good

CuriouslyC 1y ago
Stop being a coward and have a discussion with me with your real identity. You can whine about something till you're dead, but incentives drive actions, full stop. Instead of whining about normalization, lobby lawmakers to make actual change and build tools to help creators detect the issue.
- throwaway290 1y ago
  1 Stop telling me what to do 2 The incentives is to steal and rampage and rape. Some incentives deserve to die in fire, period. To change incentives we punish people or change people. Posts like these help I think trying to shut up these efforts by saying this is "normal" is only done by people in that industry or invested in it who profit from this disaster
  - CuriouslyC 1y ago
    How about this... If I was afraid to attach my public identity to my views on the internet, that would probably trigger some reflection in me as to the root cause of that emotion. I'm guessing shame, but people are complex so YMMV. If the incentive was to steal and rampage and rape, people would be doing it more. The incentives are reversed though; 10 years in prison for rape, 6 years for stealing, and the odds are you will get caught eventually. If we removed law enforcement, there would be a lot more stealing and raping, though people would take justice in to their own hands as they did in cases of theft and rape in olden times. Ultimately this is a dumb back and forth because we agree about the wrongness of the act, we just disagree about the best course of action and the ultimate value of certain approaches. You keep doing you, but if you really care about this I'd suggest you do something more productive than trying to high horse people on the internet about norms.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      You agree with me, incentives against rape and robbery because of laws and punishment. Sadly copyright laws are not made for LLMs yet. But we can still name and shame.

CuriouslyC 1y ago

Stop being a coward and have a discussion with me with your real identity. You can whine about something till you're dead, but incentives drive actions, full stop. Instead of whining about normalization, lobby lawmakers to make actual change and build tools to help creators detect the issue.

throwaway290 1y ago
1 Stop telling me what to do 2 The incentives is to steal and rampage and rape. Some incentives deserve to die in fire, period. To change incentives we punish people or change people. Posts like these help I think trying to shut up these efforts by saying this is "normal" is only done by people in that industry or invested in it who profit from this disaster
- CuriouslyC 1y ago
  How about this... If I was afraid to attach my public identity to my views on the internet, that would probably trigger some reflection in me as to the root cause of that emotion. I'm guessing shame, but people are complex so YMMV. If the incentive was to steal and rampage and rape, people would be doing it more. The incentives are reversed though; 10 years in prison for rape, 6 years for stealing, and the odds are you will get caught eventually. If we removed law enforcement, there would be a lot more stealing and raping, though people would take justice in to their own hands as they did in cases of theft and rape in olden times. Ultimately this is a dumb back and forth because we agree about the wrongness of the act, we just disagree about the best course of action and the ultimate value of certain approaches. You keep doing you, but if you really care about this I'd suggest you do something more productive than trying to high horse people on the internet about norms.
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    You agree with me, incentives against rape and robbery because of laws and punishment. Sadly copyright laws are not made for LLMs yet. But we can still name and shame.