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Nothing changes because the ask is silly and disconnected from the reality of normal people's lives. So what happens if Google has all your data? To the best of

Nothing changes because the ask is silly and disconnected from the reality of normal people's lives. So what happens if Google has all your data? To the best of my observations over the past 20 years: best in class services, cheap, paired with excellent security and data availability.

coderatlarge 1y ago
unless you travel to the 25% of the world they antagonize politically. or unless you don’t comply quickly enough when they say “jump” and they unilaterally take away “your” gvoice number.
j4hdufd8 1y ago
...while selling you crap you don't need because they follow you everywhere.
tomrod 1y ago
Look at QC Safe sometime. Same idea applies. Incentives are not consistent over time. Giving all your data for better services is easily hijackable.
carefulfungi 1y ago
Exactly. "It's good for you and takes some effort" is a bad growth strategy. For this movement to win, something will have to replace social media and walled gardens with a better dopamine hit, that just happens to keep data private.
- jbeninger 1y ago
  I think we're still missing an "open social" closed social network. Something like old-Facebook where you can post to an intimate audience of friends and family, and your feed isn't stuffed full of ads and influencers. Just a little private windows into your friends' lives. That feels like something that could displace other social media in a way that's difficult for for-profit businesses to replicate since it goes against every product manager's instinct to leave engagement on the table, and would stand in stark contrast to the current social media landscape.
  - ianopolous 1y ago
    You may like Peergos (creator here) https://peergos.org/posts/decentralized-social-media https://peergos.org/posts/decentralized-social-media
    - jbeninger 1y ago
      That looks really promising. It checks a lot of the boxes I already had in mind for such a system, like being able to continue a thread without exposing the whole thing to untrusted parties
      - ianopolous 1y ago
        Thanks! You can play around with it on https://peergos-demo.net https://peergos-demo.net
  - carefulfungi 1y ago
    I wish I understood why people will pay for streaming tv subscriptions but not for social subscriptions. I suppose social subscriptions have to overcome network effects and a plethora of “free” alternatives - ranging from iMessage to facebook.
    - rkomorn 1y ago
      I think at least one take on this is that people see it as paying for the content of streaming subscriptions, not the streaming infrastructure itself. So the idea of paying for the infrastructure needed to see the content produced by your social network doesn't feel like a good deal.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
  I genuinely disagree. At this point, the only real way to make sure something like this stays worthwhile is when it is not 'super easy and convenient'. In other words, it has to take effort ( and obviously right now it does take effort and that effort ranks close to 'impossible' --- that should be pared down a bit ).
naasking 1y ago
> So what happens if Google has all your data? To the best of my observations over the past 20 years: best in class services, cheap, paired with excellent security and data availability. And hope you never have your identity stolen, or an account hijacked, since that was the only proof of who you are.
oblio 1y ago
Most of those 20 years have coincided with low interest rates and the internet growing constantly (and hardware and software maturing). What happens when the rising tide stops but the boats still have to rise? My bet is that we will hate Google, Facebook, Amazon, modern Microsoft a lot more than people in the 80s and 90s hated IBM and old Microsoft.
anonbuddy 1y ago
google has all data > google creates AI from data > google embeds their values into AI > you use the AI > you become what ever the google AI wants "over the past 20 years" is not the same as next 20 years

coderatlarge 1y ago

unless you travel to the 25% of the world they antagonize politically. or unless you don’t comply quickly enough when they say “jump” and they unilaterally take away “your” gvoice number.

j4hdufd8 1y ago

...while selling you crap you don't need because they follow you everywhere.

tomrod 1y ago

Look at QC Safe sometime. Same idea applies. Incentives are not consistent over time. Giving all your data for better services is easily hijackable.

carefulfungi 1y ago

Exactly. "It's good for you and takes some effort" is a bad growth strategy. For this movement to win, something will have to replace social media and walled gardens with a better dopamine hit, that just happens to keep data private.

jbeninger 1y ago
I think we're still missing an "open social" closed social network. Something like old-Facebook where you can post to an intimate audience of friends and family, and your feed isn't stuffed full of ads and influencers. Just a little private windows into your friends' lives. That feels like something that could displace other social media in a way that's difficult for for-profit businesses to replicate since it goes against every product manager's instinct to leave engagement on the table, and would stand in stark contrast to the current social media landscape.
- ianopolous 1y ago
  You may like Peergos (creator here) https://peergos.org/posts/decentralized-social-media https://peergos.org/posts/decentralized-social-media
  - jbeninger 1y ago
    That looks really promising. It checks a lot of the boxes I already had in mind for such a system, like being able to continue a thread without exposing the whole thing to untrusted parties
    - ianopolous 1y ago
      Thanks! You can play around with it on https://peergos-demo.net https://peergos-demo.net
- carefulfungi 1y ago
  I wish I understood why people will pay for streaming tv subscriptions but not for social subscriptions. I suppose social subscriptions have to overcome network effects and a plethora of “free” alternatives - ranging from iMessage to facebook.
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    I think at least one take on this is that people see it as paying for the content of streaming subscriptions, not the streaming infrastructure itself. So the idea of paying for the infrastructure needed to see the content produced by your social network doesn't feel like a good deal.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
I genuinely disagree. At this point, the only real way to make sure something like this stays worthwhile is when it is not 'super easy and convenient'. In other words, it has to take effort ( and obviously right now it does take effort and that effort ranks close to 'impossible' --- that should be pared down a bit ).

naasking 1y ago

> So what happens if Google has all your data? To the best of my observations over the past 20 years: best in class services, cheap, paired with excellent security and data availability. And hope you never have your identity stolen, or an account hijacked, since that was the only proof of who you are.

oblio 1y ago

Most of those 20 years have coincided with low interest rates and the internet growing constantly (and hardware and software maturing). What happens when the rising tide stops but the boats still have to rise? My bet is that we will hate Google, Facebook, Amazon, modern Microsoft a lot more than people in the 80s and 90s hated IBM and old Microsoft.

anonbuddy 1y ago

google has all data > google creates AI from data > google embeds their values into AI > you use the AI > you become what ever the google AI wants "over the past 20 years" is not the same as next 20 years