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this is a blatant try to normalize. "Bad people do unethical things, I guess we'll have to live with it and shut up" is the vibe the author is going good. it's

this is a blatant try to normalize. "Bad people do unethical things, I guess we'll have to live with it and shut up" is the vibe the author is going good. it's not a new normal until everybody goes quiet

pessimizer 1y ago
> this is a blatant try to normalize. This doesn't mean anything. You have no ability to "normalize" anything. It's not an action that somebody can take. > it's not a new normal until everybody goes quiet Real let me speak to your manager energy. Nobody is waiting for you to go quiet to get on with things.
- akoboldfrying 1y ago
  > You have no ability to "normalize" anything. Normalisation isn't something that one person by themselves can achieve. It only happens when public opinion is swayed. How is it swayed? By people deliberately trying to sway it, like GP here. If you are instead arguing that normalisation is not really a thing at all: What do you call the change in attitudes to people who are left-handed, disabled, or homosexual?
- throwaway290 1y ago
  > You have no ability to "normalize" anything. You can if you convince everyone to stop making a fuss because it's the new normal. The comment literally said "it's the new normal".
CuriouslyC 1y ago
This is a very bad faith comment from a throwaway account. Recognition of realities is different from wishing for things to occur. If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail.
- throwaway290 1y ago
  Bad faith = trying to normalize bad faith behavior. > If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail. Posts like these = trying to stop unethical people from copyright (copyleft) washing. Telling people writing these posts that it's the new normal is basically saying they are doing pointless thing, while they are doing something very good
  - CuriouslyC 1y ago
    Stop being a coward and have a discussion with me with your real identity. You can whine about something till you're dead, but incentives drive actions, full stop. Instead of whining about normalization, lobby lawmakers to make actual change and build tools to help creators detect the issue.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      1 Stop telling me what to do 2 The incentives is to steal and rampage and rape. Some incentives deserve to die in fire, period. To change incentives we punish people or change people. Posts like these help I think trying to shut up these efforts by saying this is "normal" is only done by people in that industry or invested in it who profit from this disaster
      - CuriouslyC 1y ago
        How about this... If I was afraid to attach my public identity to my views on the internet, that would probably trigger some reflection in me as to the root cause of that emotion. I'm guessing shame, but people are complex so YMMV. If the incentive was to steal and rampage and rape, people would be doing it more. The incentives are reversed though; 10 years in prison for rape, 6 years for stealing, and the odds are you will get caught eventually. If we removed law enforcement, there would be a lot more stealing and raping, though people would take justice in to their own hands as they did in cases of theft and rape in olden times. Ultimately this is a dumb back and forth because we agree about the wrongness of the act, we just disagree about the best course of action and the ultimate value of certain approaches. You keep doing you, but if you really care about this I'd suggest you do something more productive than trying to high horse people on the internet about norms.

pessimizer 1y ago

> this is a blatant try to normalize. This doesn't mean anything. You have no ability to "normalize" anything. It's not an action that somebody can take. > it's not a new normal until everybody goes quiet Real let me speak to your manager energy. Nobody is waiting for you to go quiet to get on with things.

akoboldfrying 1y ago
> You have no ability to "normalize" anything. Normalisation isn't something that one person by themselves can achieve. It only happens when public opinion is swayed. How is it swayed? By people deliberately trying to sway it, like GP here. If you are instead arguing that normalisation is not really a thing at all: What do you call the change in attitudes to people who are left-handed, disabled, or homosexual?
throwaway290 1y ago
> You have no ability to "normalize" anything. You can if you convince everyone to stop making a fuss because it's the new normal. The comment literally said "it's the new normal".

CuriouslyC 1y ago

This is a very bad faith comment from a throwaway account. Recognition of realities is different from wishing for things to occur. If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail.

throwaway290 1y ago
Bad faith = trying to normalize bad faith behavior. > If you think you can stop unethical people from AI washing your software, feel free to try, you will fail. Posts like these = trying to stop unethical people from copyright (copyleft) washing. Telling people writing these posts that it's the new normal is basically saying they are doing pointless thing, while they are doing something very good
- CuriouslyC 1y ago
  Stop being a coward and have a discussion with me with your real identity. You can whine about something till you're dead, but incentives drive actions, full stop. Instead of whining about normalization, lobby lawmakers to make actual change and build tools to help creators detect the issue.
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    1 Stop telling me what to do 2 The incentives is to steal and rampage and rape. Some incentives deserve to die in fire, period. To change incentives we punish people or change people. Posts like these help I think trying to shut up these efforts by saying this is "normal" is only done by people in that industry or invested in it who profit from this disaster
    - CuriouslyC 1y ago
      How about this... If I was afraid to attach my public identity to my views on the internet, that would probably trigger some reflection in me as to the root cause of that emotion. I'm guessing shame, but people are complex so YMMV. If the incentive was to steal and rampage and rape, people would be doing it more. The incentives are reversed though; 10 years in prison for rape, 6 years for stealing, and the odds are you will get caught eventually. If we removed law enforcement, there would be a lot more stealing and raping, though people would take justice in to their own hands as they did in cases of theft and rape in olden times. Ultimately this is a dumb back and forth because we agree about the wrongness of the act, we just disagree about the best course of action and the ultimate value of certain approaches. You keep doing you, but if you really care about this I'd suggest you do something more productive than trying to high horse people on the internet about norms.