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I'd say too bad. You should ask your local politician for a noise ordinance and then call the police and have them apply the law. HOAs should be illegal. There

I'd say too bad. You should ask your local politician for a noise ordinance and then call the police and have them apply the law. HOAs should be illegal. There should only be one government body, if there has to be one at all.

hn_throwaway_99 1y ago
We did have a noise ordinance, and I did call the police on them. I can only wish that you get a neighbor like I had one day.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  "Hi, police! My neighbor's having a raging party that's winding down, and a bunch of drunk people are about to hit the streets. Want to arrest a bunch of drunk drivers tonight?" No one wants to party where the cops routinely show up. Honestly, some of these things are so easy nip in the bud.
  - pengaru 1y ago
    > No one wants to party where the cops routinely show up. Honestly, some of these things are so easy nip in the bud. Owning a property known to a bunch of miscreants as the home likely responsible for all those expensive DUIs isn't exactly a desirable risk-free position to be in.
    - kstrauser 1y ago
      You don't exactly have to advertise it.
      - pengaru 1y ago
        Unless we're talking a high density urban environment, there aren't generally too many candidates for retaliation - especially for angry folks not too concerned with getting it wrong.
        behringer 1y ago
        Yes I'm sure complaining to your HOA is WAYYY safer. I can only hope your HOA takes your living space over the paint on your door some day.
  - s1artibartfast 1y ago
    As if that works. There are places where there is a 2 hour response time for gunfire.
gullywhumper 1y ago
Sure, but which government body - city, county, state, federal? I don’t particularly like my HOA, but I could live elsewhere and at least feel like I have more say in my HOA than any of those other bodies.
- Yizahi 1y ago
  City of course. Over here, across the pond, cities make local noise regulation and have a local city municipal police (not state police) which is responsible for a minor complaints and general oversight. Of course the only reason why it works is that it's a city, so fewer officers can cover a lot more people-per-area than in the widespread suburbs. Same story like with mass transit, neither is economical in the suburbs, they are too expensive compared to cities.
  - gullywhumper 1y ago
    But why obviously? Is city really the best level? Seems to me much easier for people to move between neighborhoods than between cities. When I was younger, I had no problem with loud neighbors in a louder neighborhood - older now with kids and very happy to pay for quiet despite other trade offs.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > why obviously? In the U.S., ordinances tend to be local. If you have a problem with a noise ordinance, you go to your local authorities.
      - s1artibartfast 1y ago
        There's still the question of how much power the group should have over the individual.
      - gullywhumper 1y ago
        I live in a city where people are shot and killed every week (no exaggeration) and car jackings weren't even tracked until the last couple years. The city government can't manage things that are getting people killed or brutally beaten, so where should late-night noise rank on their priorities? I can still hear the gunshots when I'm going to bed, but in my HOA at least I don't have to worry about my immediate neighbors causing too much trouble. There's at least some level of local accountability, despite the tradeoffs.
adolph 1y ago
> HOAs should be illegal. There should only be one government body, if there has to be one at all. Good luck with outlawing people's ability to freely associate by entering into contracts.
- behringer 1y ago
  Oh don't get me wrong, you can agree to an HOA, but that doesn't mean the next owner of the residence should have to, or that you can't rescind your agreement at any time.
s1artibartfast 1y ago
HOAs are a contractual matter. If you buy a house with someone, you should be able to put a noise rider in the contract.

hn_throwaway_99 1y ago

We did have a noise ordinance, and I did call the police on them. I can only wish that you get a neighbor like I had one day.

kstrauser 1y ago
"Hi, police! My neighbor's having a raging party that's winding down, and a bunch of drunk people are about to hit the streets. Want to arrest a bunch of drunk drivers tonight?" No one wants to party where the cops routinely show up. Honestly, some of these things are so easy nip in the bud.
- pengaru 1y ago
  > No one wants to party where the cops routinely show up. Honestly, some of these things are so easy nip in the bud. Owning a property known to a bunch of miscreants as the home likely responsible for all those expensive DUIs isn't exactly a desirable risk-free position to be in.
  - kstrauser 1y ago
    You don't exactly have to advertise it.
    - pengaru 1y ago
      Unless we're talking a high density urban environment, there aren't generally too many candidates for retaliation - especially for angry folks not too concerned with getting it wrong.
      - behringer 1y ago
        Yes I'm sure complaining to your HOA is WAYYY safer. I can only hope your HOA takes your living space over the paint on your door some day.
- s1artibartfast 1y ago
  As if that works. There are places where there is a 2 hour response time for gunfire.

gullywhumper 1y ago

Sure, but which government body - city, county, state, federal? I don’t particularly like my HOA, but I could live elsewhere and at least feel like I have more say in my HOA than any of those other bodies.

Yizahi 1y ago
City of course. Over here, across the pond, cities make local noise regulation and have a local city municipal police (not state police) which is responsible for a minor complaints and general oversight. Of course the only reason why it works is that it's a city, so fewer officers can cover a lot more people-per-area than in the widespread suburbs. Same story like with mass transit, neither is economical in the suburbs, they are too expensive compared to cities.
- gullywhumper 1y ago
  But why obviously? Is city really the best level? Seems to me much easier for people to move between neighborhoods than between cities. When I was younger, I had no problem with loud neighbors in a louder neighborhood - older now with kids and very happy to pay for quiet despite other trade offs.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > why obviously? In the U.S., ordinances tend to be local. If you have a problem with a noise ordinance, you go to your local authorities.
    - s1artibartfast 1y ago
      There's still the question of how much power the group should have over the individual.
    - gullywhumper 1y ago
      I live in a city where people are shot and killed every week (no exaggeration) and car jackings weren't even tracked until the last couple years. The city government can't manage things that are getting people killed or brutally beaten, so where should late-night noise rank on their priorities? I can still hear the gunshots when I'm going to bed, but in my HOA at least I don't have to worry about my immediate neighbors causing too much trouble. There's at least some level of local accountability, despite the tradeoffs.

adolph 1y ago

> HOAs should be illegal. There should only be one government body, if there has to be one at all. Good luck with outlawing people's ability to freely associate by entering into contracts.

behringer 1y ago
Oh don't get me wrong, you can agree to an HOA, but that doesn't mean the next owner of the residence should have to, or that you can't rescind your agreement at any time.

s1artibartfast 1y ago

HOAs are a contractual matter. If you buy a house with someone, you should be able to put a noise rider in the contract.