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I do not at all understand how these things exist. I read that the argument is it drives up property values. But how many people just avoid buying under such ri

I do not at all understand how these things exist. I read that the argument is it drives up property values. But how many people just avoid buying under such ridiculous rules? Doesn't that just lower value?

tiahura 1y ago
It looks trashy. Just like Christmas lights left up after the holidays and pink flamingos in the yard. Communities should be empowered to self-regulate.
- dev1ycan 1y ago
  Yet in other parts of the world you don't have this problem... maybe you need to teach people etiquette and "style" rather than use HOAs to try to correct people by force
- anticorporate 1y ago
  One man's trash...
- dilyevsky 1y ago
  That but also it's a fire hazard and it causes spillover of parking into the streets.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  That's all a matter of opinion. Some people like lawn flamingos. I don't, but why should I have the power to tell my neighbor they can't put a flamingo in the yard they own? At the moment, I have a sign supporting a sports team my wife and I like. My neighbor can have a lawn flamingo I don't like, and I can have a team sign they don't like. Any other way seems like absolute madness to me.
  - tiahura 1y ago
    Because part of the agreement to buy the house includes agreeing to the HOA. Your neighbors have a reasonable expectation that their neighbors will abide by the community rules. If one wants to do their own thing, they should live somewhere that doesn’t come with built-in rules.
    - kstrauser 1y ago
      That's one of those things that sounds good on paper, as through it were plausibly true. It's not, of course, because HOAs have infected so much of new housing that they're nearly impossible to avoid unless you want to live out in the middle of nowhere.
- s5300 1y ago
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- pixelatedindex 1y ago
  You say regulate, I say discriminate. The few people who are in HOA boards have power to decide what the rules should be, and if they don’t like it then sucks to be you. That’s not regulation, that’s discrimination.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > few people who are in HOA boards have power to decide what the rules should be Depends on the HOA. My HOA board is an executive council. They don't have rulemaking authority.
- Yizahi 1y ago
  I have Christmas lights year round for a decade now, in a city but outside. I find them pretty. What's so offensive about them in a private house? And what's next? Restricting the amount of lights in the house? Their color temp?
  - kstrauser 1y ago
    You do you. I think they're pretty, too. If they weren't common labeled as seasonal lights, they'd just be nice-looking decoration. I have little glow lights alongside our sidewalk. There's no objective reason why mine are tasteful and elegant but yours are tacky or trashy. They're both just decorative lights.
alistairSH 1y ago
Just about any neighborhood built since the 1970s in the USA has an HOA so they’re really hard to avoid unless you live in either very old inner suburbs, downtown, or in a rural area. The majority of the middle suburbs have HOA’s.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  >Just about any neighborhood built since the 1970s in the USA has an HOA This is a knock on effect of the wetlands protection act (or maybe it's the clean water act, I forget which). Someone developing >1ac of houses (or duplexes or apartments or whatever) has to do stormwater management permitting BS. This probably means they leave one lot at the end and do like a stormwater catch pond in it or something (there's technical terms for this stuff I'm not using. The owner(s) is obligated per federal law to maintain whatever this solution is in perpetuity. This likely means some sort of HOA to handle that. And if you're gonna do that then why not have the HOA do more.
xhkkffbf 1y ago
The market is speaking. If the prices for 2br in an HOA is higher than in a non-HOA, well, it means more people prefer the HOA. And I think the evidence is generally that the prices are higher in well run HOAs.
- tyre 1y ago
  Are those in the same or equivalent neighborhoods?
crystal_revenge 1y ago
> I do not at all understand how these things exist. It might help a bit to understand that their origins where to exclude blacks, asians and jews from owning homes in a neighborhood [0]. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowner_association#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowner_association#History

tiahura 1y ago

It looks trashy. Just like Christmas lights left up after the holidays and pink flamingos in the yard. Communities should be empowered to self-regulate.

dev1ycan 1y ago
Yet in other parts of the world you don't have this problem... maybe you need to teach people etiquette and "style" rather than use HOAs to try to correct people by force
anticorporate 1y ago
One man's trash...
dilyevsky 1y ago
That but also it's a fire hazard and it causes spillover of parking into the streets.
kstrauser 1y ago
That's all a matter of opinion. Some people like lawn flamingos. I don't, but why should I have the power to tell my neighbor they can't put a flamingo in the yard they own? At the moment, I have a sign supporting a sports team my wife and I like. My neighbor can have a lawn flamingo I don't like, and I can have a team sign they don't like. Any other way seems like absolute madness to me.
- tiahura 1y ago
  Because part of the agreement to buy the house includes agreeing to the HOA. Your neighbors have a reasonable expectation that their neighbors will abide by the community rules. If one wants to do their own thing, they should live somewhere that doesn’t come with built-in rules.
  - kstrauser 1y ago
    That's one of those things that sounds good on paper, as through it were plausibly true. It's not, of course, because HOAs have infected so much of new housing that they're nearly impossible to avoid unless you want to live out in the middle of nowhere.
s5300 1y ago
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pixelatedindex 1y ago
You say regulate, I say discriminate. The few people who are in HOA boards have power to decide what the rules should be, and if they don’t like it then sucks to be you. That’s not regulation, that’s discrimination.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > few people who are in HOA boards have power to decide what the rules should be Depends on the HOA. My HOA board is an executive council. They don't have rulemaking authority.
Yizahi 1y ago
I have Christmas lights year round for a decade now, in a city but outside. I find them pretty. What's so offensive about them in a private house? And what's next? Restricting the amount of lights in the house? Their color temp?
- kstrauser 1y ago
  You do you. I think they're pretty, too. If they weren't common labeled as seasonal lights, they'd just be nice-looking decoration. I have little glow lights alongside our sidewalk. There's no objective reason why mine are tasteful and elegant but yours are tacky or trashy. They're both just decorative lights.

alistairSH 1y ago

Just about any neighborhood built since the 1970s in the USA has an HOA so they’re really hard to avoid unless you live in either very old inner suburbs, downtown, or in a rural area. The majority of the middle suburbs have HOA’s.

potato3732842 1y ago
>Just about any neighborhood built since the 1970s in the USA has an HOA This is a knock on effect of the wetlands protection act (or maybe it's the clean water act, I forget which). Someone developing >1ac of houses (or duplexes or apartments or whatever) has to do stormwater management permitting BS. This probably means they leave one lot at the end and do like a stormwater catch pond in it or something (there's technical terms for this stuff I'm not using. The owner(s) is obligated per federal law to maintain whatever this solution is in perpetuity. This likely means some sort of HOA to handle that. And if you're gonna do that then why not have the HOA do more.

xhkkffbf 1y ago

The market is speaking. If the prices for 2br in an HOA is higher than in a non-HOA, well, it means more people prefer the HOA. And I think the evidence is generally that the prices are higher in well run HOAs.

tyre 1y ago
Are those in the same or equivalent neighborhoods?

crystal_revenge 1y ago

> I do not at all understand how these things exist. It might help a bit to understand that their origins where to exclude blacks, asians and jews from owning homes in a neighborhood [0]. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowner_association#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeowner_association#History