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They don’t need to. All of the photos and iMessages are stored in iCloud without e2ee (nobody has ADP turned on, and it’s blocked in the UK anyway) and Apple p

by sneak 1y ago

They don’t need to. All of the photos and iMessages are stored in iCloud without e2ee (nobody has ADP turned on, and it’s blocked in the UK anyway) and Apple provides the data to the Five Eyes without a warrant. This is already the status quo in the US. The fact that ADP is offered as an option is irrelevant.

zer00eyz 1y ago
https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651#:~:text=Advanced%20Data%20Protection:%20Messages%20in,Messages%20in%20iCloud%20encryption%20key https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651#:~:text=Advanced%20Da... Lots of things to fault apple about. This likely is not one of them.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  > likely These load-bearing assumptions are part of Apple's issue. Anyone can write a whitepaper, keeping a transparent SBOM is a different level of commitment.
- sneak 1y ago
  That is only true with ADP on, and it’s disabled in the UK. Look directly above it.
throawy 1y ago
This must be a response to the headline, without reading the article. It's specifically users' ADP content that the UK gov wants to be able to access.
- leakycap 1y ago
  It's encrypted iCloud backups, not ADP. ADP hasn't been available in the UK for some time now.
  - throawy 1y ago
    It's ADP. That's why Apple didn't reinstate ADP in the UK. The UK wants a backdoor for UK users of ADP. And there are plenty of UK users of ADP - those who got in before it was banned still have it. From the article: > After the U.K. government first issued the TCN in January, Apple was forced to either create a backdoor or block its Advanced Data Protection feature > the US claimed the U.K. withdrew the demand, but Apple did not re-enable Advanced Data Protection > The new order provides insight into why: the U.K. was just rewriting it to only apply to British users
    - leakycap 1y ago
      perhaps you overlooked the literal first line? > The Financial Times reports that the U.K. is once again demanding that Apple create a backdoor into its encrypted backup services. If you read further, or click the FT link, you'll see the UK is now demanding access to encrypted iPhone backups. ADP is not relevant beyond the history; the UK is not doing anything with ADP but I understand the confusion if you don't know that "iPhone iCloud backup" is a separate service for iPhones.
leakycap 1y ago
> nobody has ADP turned on This isn't the type of question I normally ask people, so it sounds like you've made a bad guess here and are treating your own assumption as fact. You are incorrect; I have ADP turned on. > Apple provides the data to the Five Eyes without a warrant. Source? Or are you assuming here, too? > The fact that ADP is offered as an option is irrelevant. Only if you think no one uses it.
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- andrewmcwatters 1y ago
  Don’t be glib. Of all Apple device users, those who have ADP enabled are almost certainly a rounding error.
  - leakycap 1y ago
    > Don't be glib followed by > almost certainly with zero links. Sure, I'll take your word for it.
    - andrewmcwatters 1y ago
      Do you really think that most users enable such a feature? Do you think everyone compiles their own Linux kernel, and port forwards for their own Minecraft server, too? No, it’s a feature tucked away in Settings where small, small percentages of users are going to use it. It’s great that it exists, but let’s listen to life experience. You don’t need to retort “Source! Source!” for things like this. Be our guest, ask everyone in your life and keep a tally.
      - schrodinger 1y ago
        I've got it on. I don't take any other extensive means to protect my security but this was very easy and felt worth it given the honeypot of info living in my phone. There may, in fact, be dozens of us.

by sneak 1y ago

zer00eyz 1y ago

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651#:~:text=Advanced%20Data%20Protection:%20Messages%20in,Messages%20in%20iCloud%20encryption%20key https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651#:~:text=Advanced%20Da... Lots of things to fault apple about. This likely is not one of them.

bigyabai 1y ago
> likely These load-bearing assumptions are part of Apple's issue. Anyone can write a whitepaper, keeping a transparent SBOM is a different level of commitment.
sneak 1y ago
That is only true with ADP on, and it’s disabled in the UK. Look directly above it.

throawy 1y ago

This must be a response to the headline, without reading the article. It's specifically users' ADP content that the UK gov wants to be able to access.

leakycap 1y ago
It's encrypted iCloud backups, not ADP. ADP hasn't been available in the UK for some time now.
- throawy 1y ago
  It's ADP. That's why Apple didn't reinstate ADP in the UK. The UK wants a backdoor for UK users of ADP. And there are plenty of UK users of ADP - those who got in before it was banned still have it. From the article: > After the U.K. government first issued the TCN in January, Apple was forced to either create a backdoor or block its Advanced Data Protection feature > the US claimed the U.K. withdrew the demand, but Apple did not re-enable Advanced Data Protection > The new order provides insight into why: the U.K. was just rewriting it to only apply to British users
  - leakycap 1y ago
    perhaps you overlooked the literal first line? > The Financial Times reports that the U.K. is once again demanding that Apple create a backdoor into its encrypted backup services. If you read further, or click the FT link, you'll see the UK is now demanding access to encrypted iPhone backups. ADP is not relevant beyond the history; the UK is not doing anything with ADP but I understand the confusion if you don't know that "iPhone iCloud backup" is a separate service for iPhones.

leakycap 1y ago

> nobody has ADP turned on This isn't the type of question I normally ask people, so it sounds like you've made a bad guess here and are treating your own assumption as fact. You are incorrect; I have ADP turned on. > Apple provides the data to the Five Eyes without a warrant. Source? Or are you assuming here, too? > The fact that ADP is offered as an option is irrelevant. Only if you think no one uses it.

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andrewmcwatters 1y ago
Don’t be glib. Of all Apple device users, those who have ADP enabled are almost certainly a rounding error.
- leakycap 1y ago
  > Don't be glib followed by > almost certainly with zero links. Sure, I'll take your word for it.
  - andrewmcwatters 1y ago
    Do you really think that most users enable such a feature? Do you think everyone compiles their own Linux kernel, and port forwards for their own Minecraft server, too? No, it’s a feature tucked away in Settings where small, small percentages of users are going to use it. It’s great that it exists, but let’s listen to life experience. You don’t need to retort “Source! Source!” for things like this. Be our guest, ask everyone in your life and keep a tally.
    - schrodinger 1y ago
      I've got it on. I don't take any other extensive means to protect my security but this was very easy and felt worth it given the honeypot of info living in my phone. There may, in fact, be dozens of us.