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Moral outrage, sure. Lack of coherence has never been relevant to that. > A line we will not let crossed: the sacrificing of those “innocent” for “power”. I

by ben_w 1y ago

Moral outrage, sure. Lack of coherence has never been relevant to that. > A line we will not let crossed: the sacrificing of those “innocent” for “power”. I have bad news, you may wish to sit down and have some smelling salts to hand before reading world history.

sunscream89 1y ago
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- ben_w 1y ago
  That would be an illustration of my own point about moral outrage and coherency. I hope that wasn't accidental. If it was, have you heard the bad news about how slavery was legal for ages? Or even conscription?
  - sunscream89 1y ago
    And I was just saying, without mitigating savage powers there will be no civilizing accord. There shall be righteous rules of law among powers over Man However many times Man must be torn down and rebuilt to this purpose. That it is easier to be a sell out or buy in is not the last word on human resolve.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      The "righteous" are often the least coherent. They think they don't need to explain themselves so much.
      - sunscream89 1y ago
        Maybe you’re right about communicating. Those in the right aren’t the most vindicated by time. The churn of civilization is by every generation standing for what comes to pass. However much failure there is in that, civilization will always be the measure of how far we crawl out before failing ourselves once more. This “righteous rule”, merely a tool that there is a truth before measure by which men’s lives may be accounted must exist even if as some crude decentralized code of principle. We shall call this law and it will be right only by measure of our competence in exercising it as such. The principled approach may be crude yet effective where maintained.
sunscream89 1y ago
I don’t know why all that was flagged, I was exhibiting moral outrage regarding the sanctity of there being some kind of sanctity. Did you think it got out of hand? I thought it ended on a nice note.
- ben_w 1y ago
  > Did you think it got out of hand? I thought it ended on a nice note. It did indeed end on a nice note, but I think "got out of hand" is looking at the wrong end of the thread. I didn't flag that comment, I seldom flag any, but I would guess the problem was likely the start of that other thread, because your opening there was more than a little abrasive.

by ben_w 1y ago

sunscream89 1y ago

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ben_w 1y ago
That would be an illustration of my own point about moral outrage and coherency. I hope that wasn't accidental. If it was, have you heard the bad news about how slavery was legal for ages? Or even conscription?
- sunscream89 1y ago
  And I was just saying, without mitigating savage powers there will be no civilizing accord. There shall be righteous rules of law among powers over Man However many times Man must be torn down and rebuilt to this purpose. That it is easier to be a sell out or buy in is not the last word on human resolve.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    The "righteous" are often the least coherent. They think they don't need to explain themselves so much.
    - sunscream89 1y ago
      Maybe you’re right about communicating. Those in the right aren’t the most vindicated by time. The churn of civilization is by every generation standing for what comes to pass. However much failure there is in that, civilization will always be the measure of how far we crawl out before failing ourselves once more. This “righteous rule”, merely a tool that there is a truth before measure by which men’s lives may be accounted must exist even if as some crude decentralized code of principle. We shall call this law and it will be right only by measure of our competence in exercising it as such. The principled approach may be crude yet effective where maintained.

sunscream89 1y ago

I don’t know why all that was flagged, I was exhibiting moral outrage regarding the sanctity of there being some kind of sanctity. Did you think it got out of hand? I thought it ended on a nice note.

ben_w 1y ago
> Did you think it got out of hand? I thought it ended on a nice note. It did indeed end on a nice note, but I think "got out of hand" is looking at the wrong end of the thread. I didn't flag that comment, I seldom flag any, but I would guess the problem was likely the start of that other thread, because your opening there was more than a little abrasive.