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Seeing 1Password there hurts me. They used to be paragons of well designed native apps that they dumped with 8.

lawgimenez 1y ago
Truly sad, if I remember they were still migrating to SwiftUI for their iOS app. I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also.
- concinds 1y ago
  SwiftUI is still broken for any non-simple apps, almost a decade after its introduction. Completely unacceptable for big apps. Look at OmniFocus, who inexplicably became early-adopters of it, and it's had a bunch of UI glitches and inconsistent behavior requiring app restart (like you select one list item, but the inspector shows you details for another list item) ever since. Apple only has itself to blame for Electron's popularity.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - Razengan 1y ago
    > almost a decade after its introduction. It was released in 2019, so 6 years ago at most. > Apple only has itself to blame for Electron's popularity. + Microsoft with their inability to decide on a single UI framework/API for more than 1.5 years.
    - concinds 1y ago
      My bad, I recalled 2017 for some reason. And of course, same problem on Windows.
- Razengan 1y ago
  > I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. How do you crusade through Apple's appalling [lack of] documentation and dumb error messages and all the weird ＊magic＊ involved in wrangling an imperative language into a declarative framework? 5 years after SwiftUI's release I still struggle to build a simple photo viewer or expense tracker. > Sadly, for many of these Electron apps, it would probably be better to install the iOS app, but most vendors disable that option. If companies enabled the flag to let users install their iOS apps on Mac, it would be a better world, but some asinine companies refuse to, and Apple has to respect the dev's decision, however dumb it may be. I love how Apple worked around that by making iPhone Mirroring, which is a win for users. I actually use that over the desktop website/Electron crap for some apps. But how long before companies force Apple to remove that feature, like they did with removing an easy way to "Disable Javascript" from Safari?
  - lawgimenez 1y ago
    > How do you crusade through Apple's appalling [lack of] documentation and dumb error messages and all the weird ＊magic＊ involved in wrangling an imperative language into a declarative framework? That's the benefit of a solo dev, one I don't have a UI/UX designer over-designing shit and secondly I stay close to SwiftUI's components, if I can't customized my own Picker then who cares. I don't know but there's a lot of decent blogs and tutorials in SwiftUI nowadays.
- microtonal 1y ago
  I am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also They could if they wanted to. Heck, they have so many developers and money, they could even maintain a separate Cocoa app. But in all these cases, they'd rather externalize cost to the user. Sadly, for many of these Electron apps, it would probably be better to install the iOS app, but most vendors disable that option.
- illiac786 1y ago
  What about windows, Linux, etc.?
JimDabell 1y ago
I’m not sure I’ve seen an app plummet in quality as much as 1Password. I used to recommend it to everybody and switched multiple employers to it. Now I actively recommend against it. It wasn’t just abandoning native, somehow they make it worse with every release.
- microtonal 1y ago
  It is sad how far 1Password has fallen. AgileBits used to be a Mac shop and 1Password was a great Mac application. One and a half decades later, they are slow to roll out a fix for what was their initial platform (paying Mac users made them big). Also, it has become insanely buggy. Like autofill breaks for weeks for me every now and then, usually the extension is not able to connect to the 1Password app anymore (rebooting, clearing caches, adding/removing the browser extension, etc. does not help). I still have a subscription because the whole family uses it and I don't know yet where else to go. There are some native apps, but they are fairly incomplete. Apple passwords would be an option, but I would like to be able to access my passwords on a Linux laptop as well, and Apple passwords does not really have a good backup story. AgileBits' reaction to criticism is just to wave everything away with a bunch of emoji. tl;dr: it went from an app that I loved and recommended to everyone to one to one that I would really like to get rid of and never recommend anymore.
  - mitchell209 1y ago
    I’m seriously considering switching off just because I hate how complicated their app has become. But I’m not a heavy user of stuff like safe documents, ID Cards, etc so it simply adds clutter and extra taps to get to the account passwords that I want. And obviously everything you stated as well is a disappointment.
    - illiac786 1y ago
      I think you can seriously improve your UX, because I don’t have any extra tap to access passwords, definitely not because of ID cards or the likes. I just search for any item (no matter what category) or it is already suggested and I don’t have to search. I genuinely don’t mean this in a condescending way, but you must use it wrong or have a wrong setting somewhere.
ascorbic 1y ago
It just means they haven't updated Electron since last week.
- gfehhffvvv 1y ago
  They mean just being Electron at all, I imagine.
CapsAdmin 1y ago
Just 2 weeks ago, I saw my coworker close 1password from the activity manager to free more memory, because it was using 16gb of ram.

Truly sad, if I remember they were still migrating to SwiftUI for their iOS app. I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also.

concinds 1y ago
SwiftUI is still broken for any non-simple apps, almost a decade after its introduction. Completely unacceptable for big apps. Look at OmniFocus, who inexplicably became early-adopters of it, and it's had a bunch of UI glitches and inconsistent behavior requiring app restart (like you select one list item, but the inspector shows you details for another list item) ever since. Apple only has itself to blame for Electron's popularity.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- Razengan 1y ago
  > almost a decade after its introduction. It was released in 2019, so 6 years ago at most. > Apple only has itself to blame for Electron's popularity. + Microsoft with their inability to decide on a single UI framework/API for more than 1.5 years.
  - concinds 1y ago
    My bad, I recalled 2017 for some reason. And of course, same problem on Windows.
Razengan 1y ago
> I have an app which almost shares the same SwiftUI codebase with iOS and macOS, and I am a one-man dev. How do you crusade through Apple's appalling [lack of] documentation and dumb error messages and all the weird ＊magic＊ involved in wrangling an imperative language into a declarative framework? 5 years after SwiftUI's release I still struggle to build a simple photo viewer or expense tracker. > Sadly, for many of these Electron apps, it would probably be better to install the iOS app, but most vendors disable that option. If companies enabled the flag to let users install their iOS apps on Mac, it would be a better world, but some asinine companies refuse to, and Apple has to respect the dev's decision, however dumb it may be. I love how Apple worked around that by making iPhone Mirroring, which is a win for users. I actually use that over the desktop website/Electron crap for some apps. But how long before companies force Apple to remove that feature, like they did with removing an easy way to "Disable Javascript" from Safari?
- lawgimenez 1y ago
  > How do you crusade through Apple's appalling [lack of] documentation and dumb error messages and all the weird ＊magic＊ involved in wrangling an imperative language into a declarative framework? That's the benefit of a solo dev, one I don't have a UI/UX designer over-designing shit and secondly I stay close to SwiftUI's components, if I can't customized my own Picker then who cares. I don't know but there's a lot of decent blogs and tutorials in SwiftUI nowadays.
microtonal 1y ago
I am a one-man dev. If I can do it, I believe these million dollar company can also They could if they wanted to. Heck, they have so many developers and money, they could even maintain a separate Cocoa app. But in all these cases, they'd rather externalize cost to the user. Sadly, for many of these Electron apps, it would probably be better to install the iOS app, but most vendors disable that option.
illiac786 1y ago
What about windows, Linux, etc.?

JimDabell 1y ago

I’m not sure I’ve seen an app plummet in quality as much as 1Password. I used to recommend it to everybody and switched multiple employers to it. Now I actively recommend against it. It wasn’t just abandoning native, somehow they make it worse with every release.

microtonal 1y ago
It is sad how far 1Password has fallen. AgileBits used to be a Mac shop and 1Password was a great Mac application. One and a half decades later, they are slow to roll out a fix for what was their initial platform (paying Mac users made them big). Also, it has become insanely buggy. Like autofill breaks for weeks for me every now and then, usually the extension is not able to connect to the 1Password app anymore (rebooting, clearing caches, adding/removing the browser extension, etc. does not help). I still have a subscription because the whole family uses it and I don't know yet where else to go. There are some native apps, but they are fairly incomplete. Apple passwords would be an option, but I would like to be able to access my passwords on a Linux laptop as well, and Apple passwords does not really have a good backup story. AgileBits' reaction to criticism is just to wave everything away with a bunch of emoji. tl;dr: it went from an app that I loved and recommended to everyone to one to one that I would really like to get rid of and never recommend anymore.
- mitchell209 1y ago
  I’m seriously considering switching off just because I hate how complicated their app has become. But I’m not a heavy user of stuff like safe documents, ID Cards, etc so it simply adds clutter and extra taps to get to the account passwords that I want. And obviously everything you stated as well is a disappointment.
  - illiac786 1y ago
    I think you can seriously improve your UX, because I don’t have any extra tap to access passwords, definitely not because of ID cards or the likes. I just search for any item (no matter what category) or it is already suggested and I don’t have to search. I genuinely don’t mean this in a condescending way, but you must use it wrong or have a wrong setting somewhere.

ascorbic 1y ago

It just means they haven't updated Electron since last week.

gfehhffvvv 1y ago
They mean just being Electron at all, I imagine.

CapsAdmin 1y ago

Just 2 weeks ago, I saw my coworker close 1password from the activity manager to free more memory, because it was using 16gb of ram.