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> There is no such thing as "statistical murder". Sure there is. Denying categories of potentially life-saving treatments due to provincial laws causing hospi

> There is no such thing as "statistical murder". Sure there is. Denying categories of potentially life-saving treatments due to provincial laws causing hospitals to value legal considerations over medical decisions is one example. Perhaps the phrase "statistical manslaughter" is a better description however.

zmgsabst 1y ago
I don’t think you need the statistical: If you engage in behavior with known and predictable risks, which then kills somebody, it is manslaughter. Like recklessly operating a vehicle or blindly throwing knives. That sometimes your behavior doesn’t kill people is immaterial — manslaughter is being intentionally risky in your actions which leads to a death. Or in the case of UnitedHealthcare, felony murder: their felony fraud in issuing false denials for their clients resulted in deaths — and deaths that result from a felony have a special charge.
- AdieuToLogic 1y ago
  > If you engage in behavior with known and predictable risks, which then kills somebody, it is manslaughter. > That sometimes your behavior doesn’t kill people is immaterial — manslaughter is being intentionally risky in your actions which leads to a death. I was thinking more about laws enacted in the last couple of years in various US states which have guaranteed a rise in pregnancy-related deaths[0]. 0 - https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/04/u-s-pregnancy-related-deaths-continuing-to-rise/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/04/u-s-pregnancy...
  - pyuser583 1y ago
    Which laws do you mean?
    - danaris 1y ago
      Abortion bans.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  > Or in the case of UnitedHealthcare, felony murder: their felony fraud in issuing false denials for their clients resulted in deaths — and deaths that result from a felony have a special charge. Sadly, the insurers have a defense to this, and it has largely held up in court: "We did not deny that person the healthcare that could save their life. We just declined to be the party to pay for it."
  - 1oooqooq 1y ago
    no self respecting judge would accept that claim if there was no good faith behind it, such as returning premiums paid so they can pay for it themselves.

zmgsabst 1y ago

I don’t think you need the statistical: If you engage in behavior with known and predictable risks, which then kills somebody, it is manslaughter. Like recklessly operating a vehicle or blindly throwing knives. That sometimes your behavior doesn’t kill people is immaterial — manslaughter is being intentionally risky in your actions which leads to a death. Or in the case of UnitedHealthcare, felony murder: their felony fraud in issuing false denials for their clients resulted in deaths — and deaths that result from a felony have a special charge.

AdieuToLogic 1y ago
> If you engage in behavior with known and predictable risks, which then kills somebody, it is manslaughter. > That sometimes your behavior doesn’t kill people is immaterial — manslaughter is being intentionally risky in your actions which leads to a death. I was thinking more about laws enacted in the last couple of years in various US states which have guaranteed a rise in pregnancy-related deaths[0]. 0 - https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/04/u-s-pregnancy-related-deaths-continuing-to-rise/ https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/04/u-s-pregnancy...
- pyuser583 1y ago
  Which laws do you mean?
  - danaris 1y ago
    Abortion bans.
FireBeyond 1y ago
> Or in the case of UnitedHealthcare, felony murder: their felony fraud in issuing false denials for their clients resulted in deaths — and deaths that result from a felony have a special charge. Sadly, the insurers have a defense to this, and it has largely held up in court: "We did not deny that person the healthcare that could save their life. We just declined to be the party to pay for it."
- 1oooqooq 1y ago
  no self respecting judge would accept that claim if there was no good faith behind it, such as returning premiums paid so they can pay for it themselves.