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What happened to all those 2nd Amendment conservatives who needed their guns to protect us from the governments jack booted thugs?

by deeg 1y ago

skizm 1y ago
Didn't you read the article? They're building a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team.
watwut 1y ago
They joined ICE and proud boys.
diffrinse 1y ago
We ask things like this because we fundamentally misunderstand the MAGA movement. The MAGA movement's fundamental claim is that America is under attack by an insurgent force. The Trump regime (read: Heritage Foundation) is a counter-insurgency operating under emergency conditions.
vkou 1y ago
They are the jack-booted thugs, and they always have been.
ProjectArcturis 1y ago
The 2A guys have only ever been LARPers.
- krapp 1y ago
  The 2A guys overwhelmingly voted for this and will be more than willing to take up arms when it's time to put the untermenschen against the wall.
xyzelement 1y ago
This is such a lame comment, sorry. The fact 2nd amendment crowd had a chance to prove their principles a few weeks ago and they did it with flying colors when the NRA came out against any restrictions for trans people. But as a 2A supporter I don't feel any obligation to rage against ICE assembling a social media team. These seem to be completely disconnected concepts.
- throwaway984393 1y ago
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- ajross 1y ago
  The reference was to the somewhat bombastic set that like to talk about the reason for the second amendment being a backstop against government tyranny or whatever. You seem to be hiding behind a variant definition that covers only advocacy for the second amendment itself. Maybe you're not in the demographic, but there are a lot of them here on HN. Or were. They've been extremely quiet the last few months. Turns out tyranny isn't so bad when it's aimed at the people you already hate.
- mediaman 1y ago
  The Federalist papers, Thomas Jefferson, and the Supreme Court as recently as 2008 have all identified the right to bear arms as a mechanism for protection against a tyrannical state. It's surprising as a 2A supporter that you seem unaware of why the amendment exists. Is that true, or is there something more here?
  - xyzelement 1y ago
    The leap you are making is that citizens perceive immigration enforcement as tyrannical.
    - deeg 1y ago
      They should. The president posted today on his official account [1] that ICE (among other law enforcement) should arrest anyone burning the flag, an act recently affirmed by SCOTUS to be legal. That has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Sounds like jack booted thugs to me. 1 - https://bsky.app/profile/dbernstein.bsky.social/post/3m2d7z7qcn22i https://bsky.app/profile/dbernstein.bsky.social/post/3m2d7z7...
    - mediaman 1y ago
      Yes, every gigantic new secret police force answerable only to the executive is created to "catch criminals" or "deport immigrants" or do whatever else people will accept, until said police force's mandate is morphed as needed. That is why so many 2A defenders are (rightly) skeptical of large domestic police forces answerable to the executive branch, which is what ICE is; it's also why so many defenders have been skeptical of the FBI, ATF, and so on. The only people who think the mandate won't adjust as needed are, to be blunt, trusting patsies, which is not what 2A defenders have historically been. The creators and defenders of the second amendment were and are smart people. They were skeptical of highly concentrated power, which is why we have a federalist system; they were also highly skeptical of large concentrations of militarized police power, which is why our police in general are run by states and municipalities. It is really quite difficult to reconcile support of a massive ICE apparatus with any sort of comprehension of the political philosophy of the US constitution.
analog31 1y ago
The 2nd amendment protects the 2nd amendment, that's it.
solid_fuel 1y ago
The president is white so they can’t see any threat here. If Obama had tried this there would already be a revolt.
Dig1t 1y ago
We all voted for this, we are getting what we voted for. Why would we try to stop it? ICE is scanning public info anyway, nothing they’re doing is illegal or even new. Many parts of the federal government are already scanning social media, like the CIA, FBI, and NSA.

What happened to all those 2nd Amendment conservatives who needed their guns to protect us from the governments jack booted thugs?

by deeg 1y ago

What happened to all those 2nd Amendment conservatives who needed their guns to protect us from the governments jack booted thugs?

skizm 1y ago

Didn't you read the article? They're building a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team.

watwut 1y ago

They joined ICE and proud boys.

diffrinse 1y ago

We ask things like this because we fundamentally misunderstand the MAGA movement. The MAGA movement's fundamental claim is that America is under attack by an insurgent force. The Trump regime (read: Heritage Foundation) is a counter-insurgency operating under emergency conditions.

vkou 1y ago

They are the jack-booted thugs, and they always have been.

ProjectArcturis 1y ago

The 2A guys have only ever been LARPers.

krapp 1y ago
The 2A guys overwhelmingly voted for this and will be more than willing to take up arms when it's time to put the untermenschen against the wall.

xyzelement 1y ago

This is such a lame comment, sorry. The fact 2nd amendment crowd had a chance to prove their principles a few weeks ago and they did it with flying colors when the NRA came out against any restrictions for trans people. But as a 2A supporter I don't feel any obligation to rage against ICE assembling a social media team. These seem to be completely disconnected concepts.

throwaway984393 1y ago
[dead]
ajross 1y ago
The reference was to the somewhat bombastic set that like to talk about the reason for the second amendment being a backstop against government tyranny or whatever. You seem to be hiding behind a variant definition that covers only advocacy for the second amendment itself. Maybe you're not in the demographic, but there are a lot of them here on HN. Or were. They've been extremely quiet the last few months. Turns out tyranny isn't so bad when it's aimed at the people you already hate.
mediaman 1y ago
The Federalist papers, Thomas Jefferson, and the Supreme Court as recently as 2008 have all identified the right to bear arms as a mechanism for protection against a tyrannical state. It's surprising as a 2A supporter that you seem unaware of why the amendment exists. Is that true, or is there something more here?
- xyzelement 1y ago
  The leap you are making is that citizens perceive immigration enforcement as tyrannical.
  - deeg 1y ago
    They should. The president posted today on his official account [1] that ICE (among other law enforcement) should arrest anyone burning the flag, an act recently affirmed by SCOTUS to be legal. That has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Sounds like jack booted thugs to me. 1 - https://bsky.app/profile/dbernstein.bsky.social/post/3m2d7z7qcn22i https://bsky.app/profile/dbernstein.bsky.social/post/3m2d7z7...
  - mediaman 1y ago
    Yes, every gigantic new secret police force answerable only to the executive is created to "catch criminals" or "deport immigrants" or do whatever else people will accept, until said police force's mandate is morphed as needed. That is why so many 2A defenders are (rightly) skeptical of large domestic police forces answerable to the executive branch, which is what ICE is; it's also why so many defenders have been skeptical of the FBI, ATF, and so on. The only people who think the mandate won't adjust as needed are, to be blunt, trusting patsies, which is not what 2A defenders have historically been. The creators and defenders of the second amendment were and are smart people. They were skeptical of highly concentrated power, which is why we have a federalist system; they were also highly skeptical of large concentrations of militarized police power, which is why our police in general are run by states and municipalities. It is really quite difficult to reconcile support of a massive ICE apparatus with any sort of comprehension of the political philosophy of the US constitution.

analog31 1y ago

The 2nd amendment protects the 2nd amendment, that's it.

solid_fuel 1y ago

The president is white so they can’t see any threat here. If Obama had tried this there would already be a revolt.

Dig1t 1y ago

We all voted for this, we are getting what we voted for. Why would we try to stop it? ICE is scanning public info anyway, nothing they’re doing is illegal or even new. Many parts of the federal government are already scanning social media, like the CIA, FBI, and NSA.