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White House posts "enemies list" of Democrats critical of ICE

66 points by amazonhut 1y ago

duxup 1y ago
It's their way or no way with the GOP in America, no dissent, or even questions are allowed.
- bediger4000 1y ago
  The "free speech absolutists" really gave that phrase a bad name by being so hypocritical. Republican national and state leadership has revealed itself as liars, hypocrites, and even un-american.
- lgleason 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - s0sa 1y ago
    große Lüge
  - hypeatei 1y ago
    Completely unhinged and delusional take. No one at the top even faced consequences for what happened on January 6th and you're pretending that Biden's DOJ was somehow on a revenge tour? > If the left had respected the boundary, the line would not have been crossed What boundary was this and what politicians on the left were advocating for political violence?
  - duxup 1y ago
    "someone else started it" Just seems like elementary school excuses. If I even assume that's just true "we're despots too, just like them!!!" is that supposed to be a selling point to me or something? If it's wrong, it's wrong, that's it, that's how values work.
hypeatei 1y ago
“I’ll tell you something that’s going to get me in trouble, but I couldn’t care less,” the president responded. “The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don’t want to see crime. They don’t want to see crime.” “They’re saying, ‘We don’t want these people coming here. And we don’t want you burning our shopping centers. We don’t want you shooting our people in the middle of the street,’” Given those recent comments, can this be anything other than a list of people for right-wing radicals to target?
- lawn 1y ago
  Just wait a bit more and it's a list for (masked) government officials to target.
  - viraptor 1y ago
    How many steps away from troikas is this? Because however big the gap was, it sure is shrinking.
    - jacquesm 1y ago
      Not enough.
- recursivecaveat 1y ago
  It's a proscription list, ie a "we'll look the other way if anything happens to these people" list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscription https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscription
legitster 1y ago
It's still kind of crazy that we have masked federal agents abducting people off of the streets en masse and hauling them away to foreign concentration camps without due process. Even at America's lowest points (Fugitive slave act, Bleeding Kansas, Japanese internment) this is not something Americans would have tolerated of their federal government. I feel the need to remind people that Americans labelled Hitler a tyrant and were willing to march to the death to Berlin before they even knew about the concentration camps.
- user____name 1y ago
  > I feel the need to remind people that Americans labelled Hitler a tyrant and were willing to march to the death to Berlin before they even knew about the concentration camps. This is probably a tad too cynical, but I think it was the attack on Pearl Harbor, by an ethnic and culturaly distinct nation that solidified "the great other" as an enemy. It allowed the nation to overcome the pro-fascist forces which were also present at the time. Racist propaganda alongside a sense of besiegement bound together the nation. You saw the same thing with 9/11.
- awnird 1y ago
  Feels crazier that there is literally zero resistance to it. Really drives home that the median American is a bloodthirsty nazi freak.
drcongo 1y ago
From the outside, it looks an awful lot like the US is sleepwalking into a civil war and the genral populace isn't paying attention.
- pohl 1y ago
  I get up each day, the news gets more insane, I go to work, nobody mentions it. I keep wondering how insane things need to get before Midwest politeness decides to even acknowledge it.
  - piva00 1y ago
    It happened during the rise of Nazism, in "They Thought They Were Free" you can read quite candid interviews with everyday Germans from a small town on how they perceived it. It becomes normalised, the window shifts, and it has already shifted a lot. Things that were unthinkable to be done or said by politicians 15 years ago now happen almost daily. Speeches that would be scandals are just another drop in the bucket, rhetoric that would've crashed careers, and get people in absolute shock now became celebrated. You just have to remember you aren't going crazy, this is not normal and shouldn't be normal, the window just shifted so much that a lot of people learnt to agree with it, for their own reasons, by manipulative tactics.
- lawn 1y ago
  From the outside, it looks an awful lot like the US is marching straight toward a reincarnation of Hitler's Germany, and nobody is doing anything at all about it.
- awnird 1y ago
  A civil war would require a second side. There's nothing here but enthusiastic support from bloodthirsty nazi freaks.
akagusu 1y ago
America is not a democracy anymore. How can we call the American regime now? Autocracy, dictatorship?
- slater 1y ago
  Americracy?
user____name 1y ago
What I don't get is why the US media seems to keep talking about these things in terms of "left" and "right". Trump uses terms like "far left extremists" to designate large swaths of people who are clearly right of center, they're just not on the MAGA side. The average conservative or liberal pro-business party in Europe would be designated as "Marxist" or whatever by the GOP these days. But the media seems to go along with this and refer to every one to the left of Trump as "the" left?
- jacquesm 1y ago
  That's the whole trick. If you redefine everything that isn't MAGA as 'left' you just whitewashed your own reputation to 'right' instead of 'fascist'/'right wing extremist'.
  - burnt-resistor 1y ago
    Yes. Well, and now everyone who isn't MAGA or disagrees is a "terrorist" subject to deportation and/or stripping of citizenship. I hope that room full of generals and master chiefs in Quantico agreed to secretly back-channel with each other such that they have a "break glass" plan of mass refusal to execute illegal orders per UCMJ.
- burnt-resistor 1y ago
  "Far left extremists" is a dogwhistle used by non-POTUS/non-VEEP parts of the regime to avoid running afoul of the Hatch Act. 47 sometimes adds "Democrats" but that's not illegal per the law. The whole point is to demonize the other party priming the population and apparatus for the purges or "final solution" they intend to wield against non-MAGA politicians.
jaybrendansmith 1y ago
I'm really glad to see this post is not flagged. Have things finally gotten to the point where Hacker News realizes we're not in Kansas anymore? This is literally a political enemies list, and these so-called enemies are completely normal politicians, most fairly centrist, who believe in the rule of law and our Constitution. This is insane. What are we going to do about this, folks?

66 points by amazonhut 1y ago

duxup 1y ago

It's their way or no way with the GOP in America, no dissent, or even questions are allowed.

bediger4000 1y ago
The "free speech absolutists" really gave that phrase a bad name by being so hypocritical. Republican national and state leadership has revealed itself as liars, hypocrites, and even un-american.
lgleason 1y ago
[flagged]
- s0sa 1y ago
  große Lüge
- hypeatei 1y ago
  Completely unhinged and delusional take. No one at the top even faced consequences for what happened on January 6th and you're pretending that Biden's DOJ was somehow on a revenge tour? > If the left had respected the boundary, the line would not have been crossed What boundary was this and what politicians on the left were advocating for political violence?
- duxup 1y ago
  "someone else started it" Just seems like elementary school excuses. If I even assume that's just true "we're despots too, just like them!!!" is that supposed to be a selling point to me or something? If it's wrong, it's wrong, that's it, that's how values work.

hypeatei 1y ago

“I’ll tell you something that’s going to get me in trouble, but I couldn’t care less,” the president responded. “The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don’t want to see crime. They don’t want to see crime.” “They’re saying, ‘We don’t want these people coming here. And we don’t want you burning our shopping centers. We don’t want you shooting our people in the middle of the street,’” Given those recent comments, can this be anything other than a list of people for right-wing radicals to target?

lawn 1y ago
Just wait a bit more and it's a list for (masked) government officials to target.
- viraptor 1y ago
  How many steps away from troikas is this? Because however big the gap was, it sure is shrinking.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    Not enough.
recursivecaveat 1y ago
It's a proscription list, ie a "we'll look the other way if anything happens to these people" list: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscription https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proscription

legitster 1y ago

It's still kind of crazy that we have masked federal agents abducting people off of the streets en masse and hauling them away to foreign concentration camps without due process. Even at America's lowest points (Fugitive slave act, Bleeding Kansas, Japanese internment) this is not something Americans would have tolerated of their federal government. I feel the need to remind people that Americans labelled Hitler a tyrant and were willing to march to the death to Berlin before they even knew about the concentration camps.

user____name 1y ago
> I feel the need to remind people that Americans labelled Hitler a tyrant and were willing to march to the death to Berlin before they even knew about the concentration camps. This is probably a tad too cynical, but I think it was the attack on Pearl Harbor, by an ethnic and culturaly distinct nation that solidified "the great other" as an enemy. It allowed the nation to overcome the pro-fascist forces which were also present at the time. Racist propaganda alongside a sense of besiegement bound together the nation. You saw the same thing with 9/11.
awnird 1y ago
Feels crazier that there is literally zero resistance to it. Really drives home that the median American is a bloodthirsty nazi freak.

drcongo 1y ago

From the outside, it looks an awful lot like the US is sleepwalking into a civil war and the genral populace isn't paying attention.

pohl 1y ago
I get up each day, the news gets more insane, I go to work, nobody mentions it. I keep wondering how insane things need to get before Midwest politeness decides to even acknowledge it.
- piva00 1y ago
  It happened during the rise of Nazism, in "They Thought They Were Free" you can read quite candid interviews with everyday Germans from a small town on how they perceived it. It becomes normalised, the window shifts, and it has already shifted a lot. Things that were unthinkable to be done or said by politicians 15 years ago now happen almost daily. Speeches that would be scandals are just another drop in the bucket, rhetoric that would've crashed careers, and get people in absolute shock now became celebrated. You just have to remember you aren't going crazy, this is not normal and shouldn't be normal, the window just shifted so much that a lot of people learnt to agree with it, for their own reasons, by manipulative tactics.
lawn 1y ago
From the outside, it looks an awful lot like the US is marching straight toward a reincarnation of Hitler's Germany, and nobody is doing anything at all about it.
awnird 1y ago
A civil war would require a second side. There's nothing here but enthusiastic support from bloodthirsty nazi freaks.

akagusu 1y ago

America is not a democracy anymore. How can we call the American regime now? Autocracy, dictatorship?

slater 1y ago
Americracy?

user____name 1y ago

What I don't get is why the US media seems to keep talking about these things in terms of "left" and "right". Trump uses terms like "far left extremists" to designate large swaths of people who are clearly right of center, they're just not on the MAGA side. The average conservative or liberal pro-business party in Europe would be designated as "Marxist" or whatever by the GOP these days. But the media seems to go along with this and refer to every one to the left of Trump as "the" left?

jacquesm 1y ago
That's the whole trick. If you redefine everything that isn't MAGA as 'left' you just whitewashed your own reputation to 'right' instead of 'fascist'/'right wing extremist'.
- burnt-resistor 1y ago
  Yes. Well, and now everyone who isn't MAGA or disagrees is a "terrorist" subject to deportation and/or stripping of citizenship. I hope that room full of generals and master chiefs in Quantico agreed to secretly back-channel with each other such that they have a "break glass" plan of mass refusal to execute illegal orders per UCMJ.
burnt-resistor 1y ago
"Far left extremists" is a dogwhistle used by non-POTUS/non-VEEP parts of the regime to avoid running afoul of the Hatch Act. 47 sometimes adds "Democrats" but that's not illegal per the law. The whole point is to demonize the other party priming the population and apparatus for the purges or "final solution" they intend to wield against non-MAGA politicians.

jaybrendansmith 1y ago

I'm really glad to see this post is not flagged. Have things finally gotten to the point where Hacker News realizes we're not in Kansas anymore? This is literally a political enemies list, and these so-called enemies are completely normal politicians, most fairly centrist, who believe in the rule of law and our Constitution. This is insane. What are we going to do about this, folks?