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I think you'll find most Brits are not sure about London being taken over by people from places like Pakistan, India and the middle east. I went to Ilford for t
by tim333 1y ago
I think you'll find most Brits are not sure about London being taken over by people from places like Pakistan, India and the middle east. I went to Ilford for the first time recently, which used to be white working class and was surprised to find that it now seems about 90% islamic. I'm not sure calling anyone having doubts as to whether it's a good thing or not racist is very productive.
For context I live in central London and quite like the diversity but I don't have a problem with people debating it and saying they'd prefer it different. In fact I think it's healthy to have an open debate.
- colinbartlett 1y agoDid you read this methodically written and sourced post? It is most certainly NOT calling "anyone having doubts" a "racist". It is calling one particular person's astonishingly racist post as exactly what it is.
- tim333 1y agoI read the DHH "As I remember London" post and don't find it astonishingly racist. I guess you are referring to that? Which line is astonishing? I think jakelazaroff twists things rather - I'm after something DHH actually wrote.
- archagon 1y agoWhat, the post where DHH implies that brown immigrants are rapists and criminals and that Britain is being invaded and needs to be cleansed? The one that paints five-time convicted criminal and fascist Tommy Fucking Robinson as some sort of folk hero? That man is a post away from shrieking about remigration for non-whites, just like many of his new-found allies already do.
- tim333 1y agoIndeed that on which does not contain the words "brown", "rapists", "criminals", "invaded" or "cleansed" and does not say Robinson is a folk hero. As I said - I'm after something DHH actually wrote.
- jaredcwhite 1y agoYou are doing exactly what happens repeatedly in these sorts of conversations. You completely ignore all subtext, all historical context, all conclusion, all metatextual reading in favor of exact out-of-context literal wordings which you claim will convince you of the case. That is not what will happen, but of course you know that already. No xenophobic racist with an ounce of sense is going to write something like "brown people are rapist criminals who have invaded our lands and must be cleansed". It's absurd to maintain we must provide that as proof or it didn't happen.
- archagon 1y agoI hate that people will read this comment and file it away as “woke” or whatever. No, it’s basic reading comprehension FFS. English 101.
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- tim333 1y agoI just feel if you are going to call someone otherwise respected like DHH astonishingly racist it's basic decency to be able to quote one sentence where he is. I'm quite good at reading subtext and to me it reads like DHH: "They're still reeling from the Pakistani rape gangs"... critics: "he's saying he hates brown people". No he didn't. That's what let the rapes go on for years - that if you prosecuted rape you'd be called a racist who went after brown people. The whole thing reminds me of Hillary's calling Americans deplorable so as to stop Donald Trump. Didn't that work out well?
- lazyatom 1y agoA direct thing he wrote is "Britain should be a kingdom primarily for the Brits", where previously he has unambigiously defined "Brits" and "native Brits" as "white British people". That's racist.
- archagon 1y agoI mean, swap “Islamic” for “Jewish” and you’ll see the exact same story play out a hundred years earlier. (Read up on the history of Hackney, for example.) Neighborhoods change character and demographics. It’s pretty normal in large, multicultural cities.
- tim333 1y agoYeah I guess. I was just a bit surprised by that one.
- archagon 1y agoI’m not a Londoner, admittedly, but I visited quite recently for several weeks. Nothing struck me as abnormal for a city that size. Some neighborhoods were very Syrian; others very Jewish; others very Saudi(?); others Caribbean. If anything, I appreciated the wide diversity.
- tim333 1y agoYeah I don't mind it myself - my family were jewish immigrants on my dad's side and I find the bits of England without much immigration rather dull.