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"Apple takes down illegal app criminals used to circumvent law enforcement" FTFY Fox :)

by docmars 1y ago

ratelimitsteve 1y ago
what's illegal about talking to people about what you saw in public?
- docmars 1y ago
  Give me a break, don't play word games. If you created an app that essentially doxed police and schemed ways to circumvent their ability to enforce the law, I'd hope you would get in trouble for that, especially if it compromised the safety of those you care about, don't you agree?
  - troad 1y ago
    What word games is he playing? You're making a factual claim about the legality of something, and you're being directly queried on the veracity of that claim. Given that it's legal (in the US) to film/livestream cops so long as they are not obstructed in the commission of their duties, and in the wider context of the First Amendment, I find it relatively hard to believe that merely reporting cop sightings is illegal. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-film-ice https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-fil... It is widely agreed that transparency and accountability in policing makes for better policing.
    - docmars 1y ago
      Tell me, why are police scanners illegal in some states when used to aid in evading police or used to facilitate criminal activity? How is ICEBlock any different? And please, don't play dumb.
      - troad 1y ago
        You're confidently asserting things that are legally unsupported, while accusing everyone else of being dumb. Rein it in, champ. Using police scanners to listen to unencrypted radio chatter is legal in all states. In minority of states, using police scanners is not legal while driving, and in all states it is not legal to use police scanners to aid in the commission of a crime. This is not that different from the laws that apply to, say, cellphones. You generally can't use those to commit crimes or while driving either. And yet, saying that 'cellphones are illegal' is obviously not an accurate representation of reality. The bottom line here is that it is deeply unlikely that a court would find ICEBlock illegal. You may very well dislike that outcome, but it rather seems like your problem is with the Bill of Rights. In which case I can only recommend moving to a country without one - there are sadly very many.
      - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
        I'd address your argument but it's based on false pretenses. police scanners are legal in all states and under federal law, using one while committing a crime leads to additional penalties and 5 states restrict their use while driving for safety purposes, much like cell phones. >police scanners are legal to own and listen to under U.S. federal law. However, five states restrict mobile use while driving and ten more add penalties if a scanner is used while committing a crime. https://www.zipscanners.com/blogs/learn/are-police-scanners-legal https://www.zipscanners.com/blogs/learn/are-police-scanners-...
  - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
    define doxxing. I saw a guy with a hat on on main st. is telling you that fact doxxing him?
    - docmars 1y ago
      Is the guy with a hat a law enforcement officer? Are you reporting his presence to evade a crime you or your friend are committing?
      - valleyer 1y ago
        ICE has been detaining and deporting non-criminal American citizens under this government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_A...
        docmars 1y ago
        This entire article is subject to the whims and misinterpretations from Trump's staunchest opponents who gleefully lie and twist almost everything he and his administration does — everyone should take this with a giant grain of salt.
      - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
        aiding and abetting is already a crime, and a very different one. we already have case law that warning people about the presence of police does not amount to aiding and abetting from people flashing their lights to warn others about a speed trap. even if the flasher and/or flashee are breaking the law, as long as they don't physically interfere with the police its within the realm of free speech even though it could potentially hinder them. (https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/headlight-flashing/#:~:text=The%20practice%2C%20common%20among%20motorists,practice%20as%20protected%20free%20speech. https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/headlight-flashing/#...).
        docmars 1y ago

"Apple takes down illegal app criminals used to circumvent law enforcement" FTFY Fox :)

ratelimitsteve 1y ago

what's illegal about talking to people about what you saw in public?

docmars 1y ago
Give me a break, don't play word games. If you created an app that essentially doxed police and schemed ways to circumvent their ability to enforce the law, I'd hope you would get in trouble for that, especially if it compromised the safety of those you care about, don't you agree?
- troad 1y ago
  What word games is he playing? You're making a factual claim about the legality of something, and you're being directly queried on the veracity of that claim. Given that it's legal (in the US) to film/livestream cops so long as they are not obstructed in the commission of their duties, and in the wider context of the First Amendment, I find it relatively hard to believe that merely reporting cop sightings is illegal. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-film-ice https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/yes-you-have-right-fil... It is widely agreed that transparency and accountability in policing makes for better policing.
  - docmars 1y ago
    Tell me, why are police scanners illegal in some states when used to aid in evading police or used to facilitate criminal activity? How is ICEBlock any different? And please, don't play dumb.
    - troad 1y ago
      You're confidently asserting things that are legally unsupported, while accusing everyone else of being dumb. Rein it in, champ. Using police scanners to listen to unencrypted radio chatter is legal in all states. In minority of states, using police scanners is not legal while driving, and in all states it is not legal to use police scanners to aid in the commission of a crime. This is not that different from the laws that apply to, say, cellphones. You generally can't use those to commit crimes or while driving either. And yet, saying that 'cellphones are illegal' is obviously not an accurate representation of reality. The bottom line here is that it is deeply unlikely that a court would find ICEBlock illegal. You may very well dislike that outcome, but it rather seems like your problem is with the Bill of Rights. In which case I can only recommend moving to a country without one - there are sadly very many.
    - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
      I'd address your argument but it's based on false pretenses. police scanners are legal in all states and under federal law, using one while committing a crime leads to additional penalties and 5 states restrict their use while driving for safety purposes, much like cell phones. >police scanners are legal to own and listen to under U.S. federal law. However, five states restrict mobile use while driving and ten more add penalties if a scanner is used while committing a crime. https://www.zipscanners.com/blogs/learn/are-police-scanners-legal https://www.zipscanners.com/blogs/learn/are-police-scanners-...
- ratelimitsteve 1y ago
  define doxxing. I saw a guy with a hat on on main st. is telling you that fact doxxing him?
  - docmars 1y ago
    Is the guy with a hat a law enforcement officer? Are you reporting his presence to evade a crime you or your friend are committing?
    - valleyer 1y ago
      ICE has been detaining and deporting non-criminal American citizens under this government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_and_deportation_of_A...
      - docmars 1y ago
        This entire article is subject to the whims and misinterpretations from Trump's staunchest opponents who gleefully lie and twist almost everything he and his administration does — everyone should take this with a giant grain of salt.
    - ratelimitsteve 1y ago
      aiding and abetting is already a crime, and a very different one. we already have case law that warning people about the presence of police does not amount to aiding and abetting from people flashing their lights to warn others about a speed trap. even if the flasher and/or flashee are breaking the law, as long as they don't physically interfere with the police its within the realm of free speech even though it could potentially hinder them. (https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/headlight-flashing/#:~:text=The%20practice%2C%20common%20among%20motorists,practice%20as%20protected%20free%20speech. https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/headlight-flashing/#...).
      - docmars 1y ago