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I mean, we know for sure that they collaborate with the elites to manage the messaging they send to us because we have an email from Hillary Clinton instructing

I mean, we know for sure that they collaborate with the elites to manage the messaging they send to us because we have an email from Hillary Clinton instructing the media as to how they were to cover Donald Trump's first presidential campaign. If you manipulate people you may succeed once but you'll be the guy who manipulates people for the rest of forever, and that's how it should be.

gruez 1y ago
>because we have an email from Hillary Clinton instructing the media as to how they were to cover Donald Trump's first presidential campaign Source? A cursory check suggests you're talking about the Podesta email leaks, but that was an internal campaign email for talking points to be used against their opponents, which probably every other political campaign does. Am I missing something?
- ratelimitsteve 1y ago
  https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clin... >We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously. It's the "tell the press to take them seriously" that's the giveaway here.
  - gruez 1y ago
    So to summarize, there was an internal campaign memo discussing their strategy when communicating with the media. That's... exactly what I'd expect from a political campaign? Do you expect political campaigns to be running around like headless chickens with everyone ad libing their interviews? Yes, there's "instructing the media", but only insofar as telling their campaign's narrative, which again I'd expect all political campaigns to do. Maybe if there was actual emails of the Clinton campaign strongarming media organizations to adopt their positions there would be a scandal, but the fact that the strongest evidence seems to be an internal campaign memo suggests no such emails exist.
Aurornis 1y ago
> we have an email from Hillary Clinton instructing the media If such an email was leaked then it should be easy to at least find a link to share for a claim like this. Regardless, “the media” isn’t one big block of people who conspire together to say the same thing as instructed by “the elites”. This is conspiratorial thinking crossed with class warfare ideology.
- ratelimitsteve 1y ago
  https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/fileid/56629/15572 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/fileid/56629/15572 The full text https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clin... the context
praptak 1y ago
"Collaborate"? They are owned by the elites. The elites just tell them what to write and you don't need a half baked conspiracy theory based on some leaked emails to tell that. It's in plain sight: '''Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos has announced that the newspaper's opinion section will focus on supporting “personal liberties and free markets", and pieces opposing those views will not be published.'''
RickJWagner 1y ago
Good example. Or consider the treatment of the Hunter Biden laptop story. Several large media producers intentionally turned a blind eye to that story, as it was breaking at a crucial time in the 2020 election. It was an influential act, but now forever more those media producers must deal with the shame and provable bias. Tricky times.

gruez 1y ago

>because we have an email from Hillary Clinton instructing the media as to how they were to cover Donald Trump's first presidential campaign Source? A cursory check suggests you're talking about the Podesta email leaks, but that was an internal campaign email for talking points to be used against their opponents, which probably every other political campaign does. Am I missing something?

ratelimitsteve 1y ago
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clin... >We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously. It's the "tell the press to take them seriously" that's the giveaway here.
- gruez 1y ago
  So to summarize, there was an internal campaign memo discussing their strategy when communicating with the media. That's... exactly what I'd expect from a political campaign? Do you expect political campaigns to be running around like headless chickens with everyone ad libing their interviews? Yes, there's "instructing the media", but only insofar as telling their campaign's narrative, which again I'd expect all political campaigns to do. Maybe if there was actual emails of the Clinton campaign strongarming media organizations to adopt their positions there would be a scandal, but the fact that the strongest evidence seems to be an internal campaign memo suggests no such emails exist.

Aurornis 1y ago

> we have an email from Hillary Clinton instructing the media If such an email was leaked then it should be easy to at least find a link to share for a claim like this. Regardless, “the media” isn’t one big block of people who conspire together to say the same thing as instructed by “the elites”. This is conspiratorial thinking crossed with class warfare ideology.

ratelimitsteve 1y ago
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/fileid/56629/15572 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/fileid/56629/15572 The full text https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/ https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clin... the context

praptak 1y ago

"Collaborate"? They are owned by the elites. The elites just tell them what to write and you don't need a half baked conspiracy theory based on some leaked emails to tell that. It's in plain sight: '''Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos has announced that the newspaper's opinion section will focus on supporting “personal liberties and free markets", and pieces opposing those views will not be published.'''

RickJWagner 1y ago

Good example. Or consider the treatment of the Hunter Biden laptop story. Several large media producers intentionally turned a blind eye to that story, as it was breaking at a crucial time in the 2020 election. It was an influential act, but now forever more those media producers must deal with the shame and provable bias. Tricky times.