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Armchair analysis: Germany is preparing for war and all of Europe is asking them. Well, this won't end well for Russia. Germany is one of the biggest industria

Armchair analysis: Germany is preparing for war and all of Europe is asking them. Well, this won't end well for Russia. Germany is one of the biggest industrial producers in the world.

throwaway_dang 1y ago
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- piva00 1y ago
  Germany still has a very large industrial base, things don't just disappear into the ether because they aren't profitable. Factories are still there, they can be retooled in case of need such as in a war. Perhaps you should be a bit more humble when spewing bullshit, it might even make it more believable instead of this word vomit.
  - throwaway_dang 1y ago
    Russia has about twice the steel output that Germany does, comparable to the United States (which has twice the population of Russia). Russia uses about twice the electricity that Germany does too. Here's Germany doing its NATO exercises with broomsticks due to shortages https://www.newsweek.com/germany-cant-explain-use-broomstick-instead-guns-nato-exercise-307902 https://www.newsweek.com/germany-cant-explain-use-broomstick... https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2018/02/germany-from-machine-guns-to-broomsticks?lang=en https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2018/0... What was that you were saying about spewing bullshit?
    - NicoJuicy 1y ago
      Russia can't even make Lada's without Europe ( see : Renault ) no matter the output of steel. Germany actually builds tanks that work. I'd compare GDP if you want a measurement. Oh yeah, use EU's GDP of course. Germany alone is 2 x Russia. Russia is basically a little brother of Italy. Trying to matter on the world stage. With the border Russia has with the EU, they don't have enough resources to defend it. And I'm not even talking about Finland's military who joined NATO... Ps. About Germany: https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/stories/2023/rheinmetall-a-powerful-partner-at-ukraine-side https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/stories/2023/rheinmetal... https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/products/tactical-wheeled-vehicles/wheeled-armoured-vehicles/gmars https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/products/tactical-wheeled-veh... And then Russia: https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-tank-reserves-are-rapidly-depleting-new-osint-analysis-shows-10163 https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-tank-reserves-...
js8 1y ago
Unless we deescalate this won't end well for anyone. Except maybe mil-ind complex shareholders.
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- NicoJuicy 1y ago
  Nah. Russia is boxing way beyond it's weight. It will collapse like in 1991 if we would even just put some tanks at the border ( eg. At Finland, Poland). ( Russia's banks are pretty vulnerable atm. )
  - js8 1y ago
    I don't think so. I have russian coworkers who visited their family in Russia recently. They say there is more investment in infrastructure in Russia since the war. Basically, Russian oligarchs cannot invest abroad so they have to do it at home. So there are signs that the war helped Russia to resolve its "dutch disease" (a situation where a state relying on natural resource such as oil stunts its economic growth in other areas).
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    - ponector 1y ago
      Economy is so good that they have 20% interest rate. So good that they are cutting workweek, furloughing workers on the biggest car and truck factories. So good that they are limiting petrol sales to 20l per person.
    - mrguyorama 1y ago
      No, you are misreading the situation. Russia is spending a lot of money and effort and resources internally because it has a near total wartime economy now. That is not a good thing. Nobody can eat a tank. You can't plow a field with a howitzer. Your economy suffers when you can make more money being a frontline soldier than you can being a skilled worker. Every single Shahed they build is a waste! And Russia's demographics are fundamentally broken, even before they got hundreds of thousands of Russian young men killed. They can't keep it going forever. Even if they won the war today, there would be serious repercussions. Russia is lucky they have a good central bank to manage these problems but that isn't magic. Russia is burning dollars and real human lives for very little gain, again, even if Ukraine capitulated today. Putin already lost the war. Even gaining all of Ukraine, with a pacified populace, would be somewhat Pyrrhic, and just stave off problems. Meanwhile, Russia's weapons export market, which was significant and meaningful, is just gone. Nobody wants what they sell anymore, and they can't make enough to export some of it anyway. Also meanwhile, they have not fixed their "dutch disease" since Russia's economy is still entirely reliant on selling gas to people, and what little trade they had other than that is gone.

Armchair analysis: Germany is preparing for war and all of Europe is asking them. Well, this won't end well for Russia. Germany is one of the biggest industrial producers in the world.

throwaway_dang 1y ago

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piva00 1y ago
Germany still has a very large industrial base, things don't just disappear into the ether because they aren't profitable. Factories are still there, they can be retooled in case of need such as in a war. Perhaps you should be a bit more humble when spewing bullshit, it might even make it more believable instead of this word vomit.
- throwaway_dang 1y ago
  Russia has about twice the steel output that Germany does, comparable to the United States (which has twice the population of Russia). Russia uses about twice the electricity that Germany does too. Here's Germany doing its NATO exercises with broomsticks due to shortages https://www.newsweek.com/germany-cant-explain-use-broomstick-instead-guns-nato-exercise-307902 https://www.newsweek.com/germany-cant-explain-use-broomstick... https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2018/02/germany-from-machine-guns-to-broomsticks?lang=en https://carnegieendowment.org/europe/strategic-europe/2018/0... What was that you were saying about spewing bullshit?
  - NicoJuicy 1y ago
    Russia can't even make Lada's without Europe ( see : Renault ) no matter the output of steel. Germany actually builds tanks that work. I'd compare GDP if you want a measurement. Oh yeah, use EU's GDP of course. Germany alone is 2 x Russia. Russia is basically a little brother of Italy. Trying to matter on the world stage. With the border Russia has with the EU, they don't have enough resources to defend it. And I'm not even talking about Finland's military who joined NATO... Ps. About Germany: https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/stories/2023/rheinmetall-a-powerful-partner-at-ukraine-side https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/stories/2023/rheinmetal... https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/products/tactical-wheeled-vehicles/wheeled-armoured-vehicles/gmars https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/products/tactical-wheeled-veh... And then Russia: https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-tank-reserves-are-rapidly-depleting-new-osint-analysis-shows-10163 https://united24media.com/latest-news/russias-tank-reserves-...

js8 1y ago

Unless we deescalate this won't end well for anyone. Except maybe mil-ind complex shareholders.

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NicoJuicy 1y ago
Nah. Russia is boxing way beyond it's weight. It will collapse like in 1991 if we would even just put some tanks at the border ( eg. At Finland, Poland). ( Russia's banks are pretty vulnerable atm. )
- js8 1y ago
  I don't think so. I have russian coworkers who visited their family in Russia recently. They say there is more investment in infrastructure in Russia since the war. Basically, Russian oligarchs cannot invest abroad so they have to do it at home. So there are signs that the war helped Russia to resolve its "dutch disease" (a situation where a state relying on natural resource such as oil stunts its economic growth in other areas).
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  - ponector 1y ago
    Economy is so good that they have 20% interest rate. So good that they are cutting workweek, furloughing workers on the biggest car and truck factories. So good that they are limiting petrol sales to 20l per person.
  - mrguyorama 1y ago
    No, you are misreading the situation. Russia is spending a lot of money and effort and resources internally because it has a near total wartime economy now. That is not a good thing. Nobody can eat a tank. You can't plow a field with a howitzer. Your economy suffers when you can make more money being a frontline soldier than you can being a skilled worker. Every single Shahed they build is a waste! And Russia's demographics are fundamentally broken, even before they got hundreds of thousands of Russian young men killed. They can't keep it going forever. Even if they won the war today, there would be serious repercussions. Russia is lucky they have a good central bank to manage these problems but that isn't magic. Russia is burning dollars and real human lives for very little gain, again, even if Ukraine capitulated today. Putin already lost the war. Even gaining all of Ukraine, with a pacified populace, would be somewhat Pyrrhic, and just stave off problems. Meanwhile, Russia's weapons export market, which was significant and meaningful, is just gone. Nobody wants what they sell anymore, and they can't make enough to export some of it anyway. Also meanwhile, they have not fixed their "dutch disease" since Russia's economy is still entirely reliant on selling gas to people, and what little trade they had other than that is gone.