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Which international law is Administrative Detention a violation of? Are you aware that Egypt holds 16,000 to 20,000 people under administrative detention. A si

Which international law is Administrative Detention a violation of? Are you aware that Egypt holds 16,000 to 20,000 people under administrative detention. A similar number is found in Japan. I can't find numbers for Australia, but I think it's number is also over 10,000. The highest number that I could find for Israel is 3000. For what it's worth, a guy I'm friendly with (not a friend per se, but we've exchanged phone numbers and talk on the phone) had his son in administrative detention for several weeks. Probably more than a month. There was no "plan" to let him go, the police released him when it was deemed that the circumstances of his arrest did not merit further procedure.

ta20240528 1y ago
> Which international law is Administrative Detention a violation of Article 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile." But you knew this: it just didn't suit whatever defense of Israel you were trying to make.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  I'm not actually defending Israel. I'm demonstrating that the practice is not only widespread among nations that the West generally agrees with (Japan, Australia), it is practiced more there than here. And our neighbours here (Egypt) as well. So arguing against Israel on this subject does not put Israel at a moral disadvantage here. In any case, at least in Israel, the vast, vast majority of those under administrative detention are held for violent acts such as throwing stones, molotov cocktails, etc. There are a few cases in which the authorities have not stated reason, I know this, but that number is in the single digits. Administrative detention is not a violation of Article 9. I'm not excusing it, I'm putting it in perspective. For what it's worth, I personally am against the whole idea of administrative detention in any country. If a government body detains someone, the reason should be clear and transparent before the arresting officer punches out of his shift. And your equivalence of administrative detention to the taking of babies hostage and murdering them and their mothers in captivity only reinforces the notion that those who oppose the state of Israel are generally unreasonable and lack the morals which form the basis of a stable, productive Western society.
  - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
    > at least in Israel, the vast, vast majority of those under administrative detention are held for violent acts such as throwing stones, molotov cocktails, etc Actually, the vast majority of hostages israel holds, have done nothing at all. Just like the hostages hamas holds. This is easily demonstrated: show the list of israeli detainees and the fair trials they had to determine if they were, in fact, guilty of the accusations israel unconvincingly levels. Otherwise, if you take the IDF's word for it that their hostage taking is righteous, intellectual honesty requires that you also take hamas' word for it when they say the same thing. Notably, israel kidnapped, raped, and tortured hostages first. Also, israel has willfully or indiscriminately killed way more babies and mothers than hamas. Surely you view an innocent civilian life as equally valuable regardless of religion, skin color, or national origin? Surely your emotional outrage won't evaporate when the victims are Palestinian?
    - dotancohen 1y ago
      This is such a gross misrepresentation of not only the Israeli side of events, but even Hamas' own description of events, that I have no idea on what you base your claims. I can't use facts to change your mind when your mindset is not based on facts. And I'm not the right person to get into a no-I'm-right screaming match with. So have a nice day and I'll go have a nice day myself.
      - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
        > This is such a gross misrepresentation of not only the Israeli side of events, but even Hamas' own description of events, that I have no idea on what you base your claims. I can't use facts to change your mind when your mindset is not based on facts. And I'm not the right person to get into a no-I'm-right screaming match with. So have a nice day and I'll go have a nice day myself. Your reply to my post does not seem to address anything it said (or indeed, anything of substance), but it is noted that you, 1 person out of billions, disagree very, very strongly with both international and scholarly consensus, which I merely repeated, and which are each individually more authoritative than your opinion. Thank you for your invaluable contribution and have a nice day!

ta20240528 1y ago

> Which international law is Administrative Detention a violation of Article 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile." But you knew this: it just didn't suit whatever defense of Israel you were trying to make.

dotancohen 1y ago
I'm not actually defending Israel. I'm demonstrating that the practice is not only widespread among nations that the West generally agrees with (Japan, Australia), it is practiced more there than here. And our neighbours here (Egypt) as well. So arguing against Israel on this subject does not put Israel at a moral disadvantage here. In any case, at least in Israel, the vast, vast majority of those under administrative detention are held for violent acts such as throwing stones, molotov cocktails, etc. There are a few cases in which the authorities have not stated reason, I know this, but that number is in the single digits. Administrative detention is not a violation of Article 9. I'm not excusing it, I'm putting it in perspective. For what it's worth, I personally am against the whole idea of administrative detention in any country. If a government body detains someone, the reason should be clear and transparent before the arresting officer punches out of his shift. And your equivalence of administrative detention to the taking of babies hostage and murdering them and their mothers in captivity only reinforces the notion that those who oppose the state of Israel are generally unreasonable and lack the morals which form the basis of a stable, productive Western society.
- ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
  > at least in Israel, the vast, vast majority of those under administrative detention are held for violent acts such as throwing stones, molotov cocktails, etc Actually, the vast majority of hostages israel holds, have done nothing at all. Just like the hostages hamas holds. This is easily demonstrated: show the list of israeli detainees and the fair trials they had to determine if they were, in fact, guilty of the accusations israel unconvincingly levels. Otherwise, if you take the IDF's word for it that their hostage taking is righteous, intellectual honesty requires that you also take hamas' word for it when they say the same thing. Notably, israel kidnapped, raped, and tortured hostages first. Also, israel has willfully or indiscriminately killed way more babies and mothers than hamas. Surely you view an innocent civilian life as equally valuable regardless of religion, skin color, or national origin? Surely your emotional outrage won't evaporate when the victims are Palestinian?
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    This is such a gross misrepresentation of not only the Israeli side of events, but even Hamas' own description of events, that I have no idea on what you base your claims. I can't use facts to change your mind when your mindset is not based on facts. And I'm not the right person to get into a no-I'm-right screaming match with. So have a nice day and I'll go have a nice day myself.
    - ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
      > This is such a gross misrepresentation of not only the Israeli side of events, but even Hamas' own description of events, that I have no idea on what you base your claims. I can't use facts to change your mind when your mindset is not based on facts. And I'm not the right person to get into a no-I'm-right screaming match with. So have a nice day and I'll go have a nice day myself. Your reply to my post does not seem to address anything it said (or indeed, anything of substance), but it is noted that you, 1 person out of billions, disagree very, very strongly with both international and scholarly consensus, which I merely repeated, and which are each individually more authoritative than your opinion. Thank you for your invaluable contribution and have a nice day!