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I keep wondering how all of this ICE stuff will eventually play out. Number of illegal emigrants in the USA is estimated to be between 11-20 millions. How much

I keep wondering how all of this ICE stuff will eventually play out. Number of illegal emigrants in the USA is estimated to be between 11-20 millions. How much does it cost to send ICE team after a single emigrant? Then holding this emigrant in custody, then costs of deportation to the country of origin. This looks like another enterprise like "war on terror" that costed trillions, hasn't given anything USA, but lack of money for infrastructure, healthcare, education and degradation of the middle class, which is in every democracy a stabilizing power - they have a lot of to lose, so they don't vote on extremists. Current administration is very right about bringing back manufacturing back to USA, but they forget that without roads, railways, electricity lines and, the most important, workforce, they will not be able to do that.

immibis 1y ago
It doesn't matter whether it's effective. This is all about riling up emotions, propaganda, winning (or preventing) the next election. Actual effect is barely relevant. Brown-skinned people aren't the enemy team - they're the ball.
saubeidl 1y ago
Immigration enforcement is just a pretense to create a squad of unaccountable goons, hiding their identity using masks. The real purpose is to establish an unaccountable form of political violence and intimidation, similiar to the Sturmabteilung in 1920's Germany. The famous "First they came for..." poem comes to mind.
vorpalhex 1y ago
Only about 20% of people deported have been rounded up by ICE, etc - the rest have chosen self deportation. If I had to mind read the admin, I would imagine they intend ICE to go after the hardened criminals who, making a profit or being wanted, won't self deport under any circumstance. Meanwhile most people who have just migrated illegally will generally self deport or do a really good job of blending in. Obviously ICE is still going to sweep up anyone and everyone they can. The fed exists, and has always existed, to be a boot not a scalpel. In theory local law enforcement is supposed to be the more targeted localized tool but because immigration enforcement has become partisan, they are either restricted from doing anything migration related or are going overboard to suck up to the fed. Systems out of alignment grow more severe.

immibis 1y ago

It doesn't matter whether it's effective. This is all about riling up emotions, propaganda, winning (or preventing) the next election. Actual effect is barely relevant. Brown-skinned people aren't the enemy team - they're the ball.

saubeidl 1y ago

Immigration enforcement is just a pretense to create a squad of unaccountable goons, hiding their identity using masks. The real purpose is to establish an unaccountable form of political violence and intimidation, similiar to the Sturmabteilung in 1920's Germany. The famous "First they came for..." poem comes to mind.

vorpalhex 1y ago

Only about 20% of people deported have been rounded up by ICE, etc - the rest have chosen self deportation. If I had to mind read the admin, I would imagine they intend ICE to go after the hardened criminals who, making a profit or being wanted, won't self deport under any circumstance. Meanwhile most people who have just migrated illegally will generally self deport or do a really good job of blending in. Obviously ICE is still going to sweep up anyone and everyone they can. The fed exists, and has always existed, to be a boot not a scalpel. In theory local law enforcement is supposed to be the more targeted localized tool but because immigration enforcement has become partisan, they are either restricted from doing anything migration related or are going overboard to suck up to the fed. Systems out of alignment grow more severe.