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> In nearly all cases genetic / nature explanations count for zilch How would you even begin to know this?

adastra22 1y ago
I talk to them? Ask them “how’d you get so good at Thing?” and they often tell you just how hard it is to do Thing, but they love it and feel so lucky that they can get paid to do Thing, then tell you all the challenges they ran into, etc.
- scandox 1y ago
  People are not very good at evaluating their own success. And also people learn to say things people like to hear.
- ViscountPenguin 1y ago
  You're almost certainly undersampling the people who put in great amounts of effort which didn't amount to anything. Deliberate practice might be neccessary, but it's not sufficient.
  - cindyllm 1y ago
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- milesrout 1y ago
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- agumonkey 1y ago
  There's still a missing part. As a kid I didn't have to learn how to read. I saw the words on children books while my mother was reading when I was 5 and my brain did the rest. It's thus unrelated to time spend trying a particular task. The "funny" part is that since high school, my brain kinda lost the ability to parse / infer things I don't know most of the time, but not always, and the few time I was able to understand new topics was when I altered my own thinking patterns to not search for answers right away but let myself swim in stimuli/data smoother and let idea come up slowly.
- petesergeant 1y ago
  This incorrectly assumes that people are self-aware about how much their genetics / environment contributed to their success (they are not) but also misses the fact that lots of people work very hard at things without success. When I think of my singular biggest external achievement, I worked my ass off for it. But no amount of hard work by someone who didn't have some of the advantages I have would have gotten them anywhere close to it. The second part of that comes up approximately never when people ask me about it, I always emphasise the tremendous amount of gut-busting work it took, because that's the part I'm proud of. All that said, I've worked just as hard (maybe harder?) on some things that came to nothing.

I talk to them? Ask them “how’d you get so good at Thing?” and they often tell you just how hard it is to do Thing, but they love it and feel so lucky that they can get paid to do Thing, then tell you all the challenges they ran into, etc.

scandox 1y ago
People are not very good at evaluating their own success. And also people learn to say things people like to hear.
ViscountPenguin 1y ago
You're almost certainly undersampling the people who put in great amounts of effort which didn't amount to anything. Deliberate practice might be neccessary, but it's not sufficient.
- cindyllm 1y ago
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milesrout 1y ago
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agumonkey 1y ago
There's still a missing part. As a kid I didn't have to learn how to read. I saw the words on children books while my mother was reading when I was 5 and my brain did the rest. It's thus unrelated to time spend trying a particular task. The "funny" part is that since high school, my brain kinda lost the ability to parse / infer things I don't know most of the time, but not always, and the few time I was able to understand new topics was when I altered my own thinking patterns to not search for answers right away but let myself swim in stimuli/data smoother and let idea come up slowly.
petesergeant 1y ago
This incorrectly assumes that people are self-aware about how much their genetics / environment contributed to their success (they are not) but also misses the fact that lots of people work very hard at things without success. When I think of my singular biggest external achievement, I worked my ass off for it. But no amount of hard work by someone who didn't have some of the advantages I have would have gotten them anywhere close to it. The second part of that comes up approximately never when people ask me about it, I always emphasise the tremendous amount of gut-busting work it took, because that's the part I'm proud of. All that said, I've worked just as hard (maybe harder?) on some things that came to nothing.