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Valid concern. I have been decoupling my dependency on Google for quite some time now

t_mahmood 1y ago
What is your email solution? I was looking at ProtonMail. Now FastMail seems good too. So, wondering what is the best option between each.
- auslegung 1y ago
  Not OP but I switched from gmail to fastmail in 2019 because at the time they were the cheapest option that provided unlimited email aliases and masked email. Masked email feels great, I feel like I’m in control of the communication. I can turn it off at any point
- Towaway69 1y ago
  +1 for fastmail, been using them for a few years now and haven't any complaints. Have many domains with them, wildcard emails are easily configured so that every service that I subscribe to gets a unique email address. One minor issue is their JMAP[1] protocol if you want to automate email sending - its intention are good just that no one else supports it. [1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8621.html https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8621.html
- robertlagrant 1y ago
  I use Protonmail. Gradually switching my logins over, but it takes ages.
- bsoles 1y ago
  Not the OP. I have been happy so far with Proton Mail over the last 3 months. Moving my logins took some time, but I am pretty happy with Proton Pass for now and their other tools. The only dilemma that I have now is whether to use my own domain name or proton.me, pm.me, etc. I currently use the latter. Reducing the number of emails in my Gmail inbox to zero was a happy day for me. "Do no evil" my ass.
- itnerd 1y ago
  The market is FULL of hosted providers. Every single one has its ups and downs. I’d like to take a moment to acknowledge the technical knobs that Google Workspace and MS Office 360 provide over mail routing. Clearly they have enough large customers with in-house IT staff that demand this level of control and “the rest of us” get the benefit. Once you leave their platforms it’s easy to be disappointed. I can’t say that their platforms are good just technically feature rich; Google’s insistence on silently discarding “duplicate” messages is infuriating but other platforms will have a different set of problems. If you don’t need enterprise control… Lately, I’ve been on MXroute.com, mostly because the team seems dedicated to trying to make something good. It’s not polished yet. They are opinionated. It’s designed for you to point your MX at them and check your mail via IMAP and send via Authenticated SMTP, that’s it, nothing more. Sure, they have extra features that will work but clearly that’s not their focus. iCloud+ is also worth looking at and is often underrated. Many folks already have a paid iCloud+ account. Here, you can just turn on “Custom Email” as a set it and forget it option. While I’m writing non-sense, I’ll ask what others are doing for inbound mail control and spam filtering. Prior to moving to MXroute, I was using SpamStopsHere that offered incredible flexibility and control. It was acquired by Zix and then dismantled.
- ozgrakkurt 1y ago
  Fastmail is perfection. Easy cancellation, doesn’t go crazy on you if you have a problem with credit card, super fast and light ui, can use your domain so you don’t get locked in
- jazzyjackson 1y ago
  infomaniak has served me well. Free mailbox with domain name, Thunderbird as my interface but their webmail is fine too.
- jwr 1y ago
  > What is your email solution? As a data point and reminder, running your own E-mail server works just fine, in spite of FUD being spread around sometimes. I've been doing it for the last 25 years or so. Stick to Ubuntu LTS releases, use postfix for SMTP, dovecot for IMAP, and SpamHaus for spam filtering[1], and you'll be fine. [1] these are becoming less and less useful, as most spam these days goes through Google, Microsoft and Amazon, and these companies couldn't care less about abuse reports, as you can't block them because they are too big.
  - t_mahmood 1y ago
    I like that idea, which is why I actually rented a public IP, only to get hammered by bot networks trying to get into my ssh. Fortunately, I had the password based log in off. I should give this another try. But next time, maybe a VPS would be a good idea?
- tomsel 1y ago
  I've been using ProtonMail for a few years and it's been an average experience so far, since they force the use of their apps. I've recently tried to setup kmail with my protonmail account and discovered how their business model works for imap access: you pay a subscription after which they give you access (usual deal, nothing bad about it), but then they force you to install a piece of software which supposedly handles all the communications and encryption. I've tried it, it works fine, but I'm not interested in having to run their software just to connect to their imap servers. Also, while you can use a custom email client o n pc, you are stuck with their app on android. I'd suggest you avoid protonmail. Maybe look into mailbox.org, they actually have a pretty good service.

What is your email solution? I was looking at ProtonMail. Now FastMail seems good too. So, wondering what is the best option between each.

auslegung 1y ago
Not OP but I switched from gmail to fastmail in 2019 because at the time they were the cheapest option that provided unlimited email aliases and masked email. Masked email feels great, I feel like I’m in control of the communication. I can turn it off at any point
Towaway69 1y ago
+1 for fastmail, been using them for a few years now and haven't any complaints. Have many domains with them, wildcard emails are easily configured so that every service that I subscribe to gets a unique email address. One minor issue is their JMAP[1] protocol if you want to automate email sending - its intention are good just that no one else supports it. [1] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8621.html https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8621.html
robertlagrant 1y ago
I use Protonmail. Gradually switching my logins over, but it takes ages.
bsoles 1y ago
Not the OP. I have been happy so far with Proton Mail over the last 3 months. Moving my logins took some time, but I am pretty happy with Proton Pass for now and their other tools. The only dilemma that I have now is whether to use my own domain name or proton.me, pm.me, etc. I currently use the latter. Reducing the number of emails in my Gmail inbox to zero was a happy day for me. "Do no evil" my ass.
itnerd 1y ago
The market is FULL of hosted providers. Every single one has its ups and downs. I’d like to take a moment to acknowledge the technical knobs that Google Workspace and MS Office 360 provide over mail routing. Clearly they have enough large customers with in-house IT staff that demand this level of control and “the rest of us” get the benefit. Once you leave their platforms it’s easy to be disappointed. I can’t say that their platforms are good just technically feature rich; Google’s insistence on silently discarding “duplicate” messages is infuriating but other platforms will have a different set of problems. If you don’t need enterprise control… Lately, I’ve been on MXroute.com, mostly because the team seems dedicated to trying to make something good. It’s not polished yet. They are opinionated. It’s designed for you to point your MX at them and check your mail via IMAP and send via Authenticated SMTP, that’s it, nothing more. Sure, they have extra features that will work but clearly that’s not their focus. iCloud+ is also worth looking at and is often underrated. Many folks already have a paid iCloud+ account. Here, you can just turn on “Custom Email” as a set it and forget it option. While I’m writing non-sense, I’ll ask what others are doing for inbound mail control and spam filtering. Prior to moving to MXroute, I was using SpamStopsHere that offered incredible flexibility and control. It was acquired by Zix and then dismantled.
ozgrakkurt 1y ago
Fastmail is perfection. Easy cancellation, doesn’t go crazy on you if you have a problem with credit card, super fast and light ui, can use your domain so you don’t get locked in
jazzyjackson 1y ago
infomaniak has served me well. Free mailbox with domain name, Thunderbird as my interface but their webmail is fine too.
jwr 1y ago
> What is your email solution? As a data point and reminder, running your own E-mail server works just fine, in spite of FUD being spread around sometimes. I've been doing it for the last 25 years or so. Stick to Ubuntu LTS releases, use postfix for SMTP, dovecot for IMAP, and SpamHaus for spam filtering[1], and you'll be fine. [1] these are becoming less and less useful, as most spam these days goes through Google, Microsoft and Amazon, and these companies couldn't care less about abuse reports, as you can't block them because they are too big.
- t_mahmood 1y ago
  I like that idea, which is why I actually rented a public IP, only to get hammered by bot networks trying to get into my ssh. Fortunately, I had the password based log in off. I should give this another try. But next time, maybe a VPS would be a good idea?
tomsel 1y ago
I've been using ProtonMail for a few years and it's been an average experience so far, since they force the use of their apps. I've recently tried to setup kmail with my protonmail account and discovered how their business model works for imap access: you pay a subscription after which they give you access (usual deal, nothing bad about it), but then they force you to install a piece of software which supposedly handles all the communications and encryption. I've tried it, it works fine, but I'm not interested in having to run their software just to connect to their imap servers. Also, while you can use a custom email client o n pc, you are stuck with their app on android. I'd suggest you avoid protonmail. Maybe look into mailbox.org, they actually have a pretty good service.