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Sorry you are totally misrepresenting how difficult it is. Here is the checklist: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68b6b7e7536d629f9c82a9a1/RTW+C

Sorry you are totally misrepresenting how difficult it is. Here is the checklist: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68b6b7e7536d629f9c82a9a1/RTW+Checklist__final_.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68b6b7e7536d6... > If you don’t have a passport, for instance, it’s much harder for a UK citizen to prove their right to work in the UK, for which your employer is liable if they get it wrong. No it isn't. You need a Birth Certificate and a previous paycheck and something that has your NI number on it, and usually something to prove your address e.g. Utility Bill.

pjc50 1y ago
Don't forget needing to get it countersigned by someone sufficiently middle-class. https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/acce...
- octo888 1y ago
  > someone sufficiently middle-class. The accuracy of this made me chuckle out loud!
  - agedclock 1y ago
    I don't consider a nurse or a pharmacist, or a pub landlord, or someone that own a Limited Company (anyone can setup a LTD) as middle class. Also what is wrong with being middle-class?
    - octo888 1y ago
      Exactly. They're middle class sounding enough (sufficiently middle class). That's what's funny And nobody said there anything wrong with being middle class.
      - agedclock 1y ago
        It is implied that there is something wrong by the fact that it is mentioned in such a manner.
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        pseudalopex 1y ago
        It implied there was something wrong with trusting every chiropodist and professional photographer more than any cook or army sergeant. It implied nothing about being middle middle class.
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- agedclock 1y ago
  This has nothing to do with passport applications. He is talking about right to work checks. There is nothing excessive about them and they does not require even photo-card ID e.g. driving license / passport. Also you don't have to insert your personal brand of politics into every discussion. There is nothing outrageous about the list of professions of counter signers. All they are wanting is someone that can be identified easily in a community.
  - scott_w 1y ago
    A driving license isn’t sufficient for right to work checks because you can have a driving license without being able to work. For shits and giggles, I just looked up the checker on the UK Gov website and… if you don’t have a passport or easy access to your birth certificate, you don’t have enough evidence of right to work. Is this possible for most people? Yes. Does it leave groups excluded? Absolutely! https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work
    - agedclock 1y ago
      > A driving license isn’t sufficient for right to work checks because you can have a driving license without being able to work. I never said that you required a driving license. I said that at driving license was photo-card ID. You need a passport or birth cert and NI number as a British Citizen for a right to work check. Most employers also want proof of address, so bring a utility bill. I've been through this process about 3 times in the last 5 years. It isn't difficult or onerous. > For shits and giggles, I just looked up the checker on the UK Gov website and… if you don’t have a passport or easy access to your birth certificate, you don’t have enough evidence of right to work. I actually posted the checklist. I am quite aware what is required. You can literally order replacements for a birth certificate easily. A replacement birth cert can be got for £12.50 and takes 4 days to receive. https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certifica... Nothing about this is "excessive". > Is this possible for most people? Yes. Does it leave groups excluded? Absolutely! People that can't produce basic documents it excludes. You were claiming that the right to work checks were "excessive". Producing one or two documents that you should have is not "excessive".

pjc50 1y ago

Don't forget needing to get it countersigned by someone sufficiently middle-class. https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/accepted-occupations-for-countersignatories https://www.gov.uk/countersigning-passport-applications/acce...

octo888 1y ago
> someone sufficiently middle-class. The accuracy of this made me chuckle out loud!
- agedclock 1y ago
  I don't consider a nurse or a pharmacist, or a pub landlord, or someone that own a Limited Company (anyone can setup a LTD) as middle class. Also what is wrong with being middle-class?
  - octo888 1y ago
    Exactly. They're middle class sounding enough (sufficiently middle class). That's what's funny And nobody said there anything wrong with being middle class.
    - agedclock 1y ago
      It is implied that there is something wrong by the fact that it is mentioned in such a manner.
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      - pseudalopex 1y ago
        It implied there was something wrong with trusting every chiropodist and professional photographer more than any cook or army sergeant. It implied nothing about being middle middle class.
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agedclock 1y ago
This has nothing to do with passport applications. He is talking about right to work checks. There is nothing excessive about them and they does not require even photo-card ID e.g. driving license / passport. Also you don't have to insert your personal brand of politics into every discussion. There is nothing outrageous about the list of professions of counter signers. All they are wanting is someone that can be identified easily in a community.
- scott_w 1y ago
  A driving license isn’t sufficient for right to work checks because you can have a driving license without being able to work. For shits and giggles, I just looked up the checker on the UK Gov website and… if you don’t have a passport or easy access to your birth certificate, you don’t have enough evidence of right to work. Is this possible for most people? Yes. Does it leave groups excluded? Absolutely! https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work https://www.gov.uk/check-job-applicant-right-to-work
  - agedclock 1y ago
    > A driving license isn’t sufficient for right to work checks because you can have a driving license without being able to work. I never said that you required a driving license. I said that at driving license was photo-card ID. You need a passport or birth cert and NI number as a British Citizen for a right to work check. Most employers also want proof of address, so bring a utility bill. I've been through this process about 3 times in the last 5 years. It isn't difficult or onerous. > For shits and giggles, I just looked up the checker on the UK Gov website and… if you don’t have a passport or easy access to your birth certificate, you don’t have enough evidence of right to work. I actually posted the checklist. I am quite aware what is required. You can literally order replacements for a birth certificate easily. A replacement birth cert can be got for £12.50 and takes 4 days to receive. https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certifica... Nothing about this is "excessive". > Is this possible for most people? Yes. Does it leave groups excluded? Absolutely! People that can't produce basic documents it excludes. You were claiming that the right to work checks were "excessive". Producing one or two documents that you should have is not "excessive".