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I'd have imagined that the first thing that "Japan First" would imply would be to kick out the US-bases, defend against the feudatory-lord like shake-down measu

I'd have imagined that the first thing that "Japan First" would imply would be to kick out the US-bases, defend against the feudatory-lord like shake-down measures by the US. It's so strange - the "Japan First" gang infact appears to be pro-occupation (let's not pretend this is not what this is), and have even been raising funds for the likes of imperialists like Kirk. Almost seems like it's meant to keep Japan artificially glued to the US and out of Asia, and not let geography work. Reminds me of what Brezhinsky feared about Germany / Russia getting together (and is now playing out in Europe). Really sad though, since JICA and the prev. generations really gave Japan a very good name across Asia.

aikinai 1y ago
This is a disingenuous strawman. "Japan First" doesn't have to mean your naïve interpretation of some maximally xenophobic isolationism. If the US bases are good for Japan, then it's perfectly "Japan First". Some people might disagree—certainly plenty of right-wing Japanese do disagree—but many also believe that the US alliance and the bases are critical to Japan's greater sovereignty and prosperity. Without the security treaty and cooperation, Japan would on their own against China, diverting far more funds to defense and accepting much higher security risk.
- tho223oi4j8979 1y ago
  Not wanting huge numbers of foreign army base in your country is Xenophobic Isolationism ? I'm sorry; I guess I'm all hopped up on the the anti-colonial struggles of Asia (ironically, many of them, supported by Japan). The China issue is orthogonal to all this. US-Japan relations were atleast beneficial till now (unlike say Europe's colonial possessions in Asia), but it looks like the country will first suck all its vassals dry before going down.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  >Japan First" doesn't have to mean your naïve interpretation of some maximally xenophobic isolationism. It doesn't. But it probably will, especially with Japan's history. How many times does history have to repeat before we stop dismissing it as a slippery slope? >many also believe that the US alliance and the bases are critical to Japan's greater sovereignty and prosperity. America stripped their standing army for decades, so that damage is inflicted by the very ones that claim to protect them. And the US isn't exactly a reliable ally as of late.

aikinai 1y ago

This is a disingenuous strawman. "Japan First" doesn't have to mean your naïve interpretation of some maximally xenophobic isolationism. If the US bases are good for Japan, then it's perfectly "Japan First". Some people might disagree—certainly plenty of right-wing Japanese do disagree—but many also believe that the US alliance and the bases are critical to Japan's greater sovereignty and prosperity. Without the security treaty and cooperation, Japan would on their own against China, diverting far more funds to defense and accepting much higher security risk.

tho223oi4j8979 1y ago
Not wanting huge numbers of foreign army base in your country is Xenophobic Isolationism ? I'm sorry; I guess I'm all hopped up on the the anti-colonial struggles of Asia (ironically, many of them, supported by Japan). The China issue is orthogonal to all this. US-Japan relations were atleast beneficial till now (unlike say Europe's colonial possessions in Asia), but it looks like the country will first suck all its vassals dry before going down.
johnnyanmac 1y ago
>Japan First" doesn't have to mean your naïve interpretation of some maximally xenophobic isolationism. It doesn't. But it probably will, especially with Japan's history. How many times does history have to repeat before we stop dismissing it as a slippery slope? >many also believe that the US alliance and the bases are critical to Japan's greater sovereignty and prosperity. America stripped their standing army for decades, so that damage is inflicted by the very ones that claim to protect them. And the US isn't exactly a reliable ally as of late.