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> They don't talk about genocide, true, but they do talk about the famine they're seeing and the extreme difficulty of getting humanitarian aid into Gaza - caus

> They don't talk about genocide, true, but they do talk about the famine they're seeing and the extreme difficulty of getting humanitarian aid into Gaza - causing them to have almost ceased food delivery at the beginning of this year, before finding ingenious new ways of cooking and delivering supplies. It's much less an issue of getting aid into Gaza and much more an issue of distribution, with most aid being intercepted before reaching the intended destination[3]. Even then I've yet to see any credible evidence that there is a famine, although there are certainly various degrees of food insecurity. > It's also funny to pick an organization which has suffered one of the most clear and well documented assassinations of aid workers by Israeli forces, the World Central Kitchen attack in 2024. This was one of the cases that even the IDF couldn't invent a justification for (the convoy they killed had been coordinating constantly with them, they had followed the root exactly, etc). They called it a regrettable error, of course. It's a war, targeting mistakes happen, the IDF generally makes an effort to investigate when these sort of things happen. It quite clearly wasn't a case of the IDF intentionally targeting aid workers. There are simply no incentives or evidence for the IDF to have a policy of deliberately targeting WCK aid workers. Friendly fire incidents where IDF soldiers have been killed have been somewhat common in Gaza in general so it certainly doesn't seem to be improbable that a targeting mistake like this could happen by accident. > The comic is quite explicit, we don't have to look for implicit innuendo. Lets go through these and see if they match up with antisemetic tropes as well. > imperialism So here we have the "world imperialism"[0] antisemetic trope. > capitalism Here we have the "Jewish Capitalism"[1] antisemetic trope. we even have a "Patriarchy"[2] trope as well Seems pretty clear to me what the author is doing here. > While Israel, backed by the USA, is the aggressor in the case of Gaza, the same forces (again, meaning imperialist tendencies, not some conspiracy of "evil Jews") behind other acts of aggression by other states in other places impacted by famine. This war was started by Hamas on October 7th, it's quite clear they are the aggressor here. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Causing_wars,_revolutions_and_calamities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Causing_wars... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_capitalism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Turning_people_LGBT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Turning_peop... [3] https://app.un2720.org/tracking https://app.un2720.org/tracking

tsimionescu 1y ago
> It's much less an issue of getting aid into Gaza and much more an issue of distribution The WCK that you cited is very clear on this: the problem is getting aid into Gaza, not distributing it. They had to close their kitchens at the beginning of the year because they just couldn't get any supplies into the territory, because Israel wouldn't allow them - especially fuel. They found creative solutions in the meantime. > Even then I've yet to see any credible evidence that there is a famine, although there are certainly various degrees of food insecurity. Again, the org you yourself cited has many examples. > It quite clearly wasn't a case of the IDF intentionally targeting aid workers. It quite clearly was. The WCK said plain as day that it was. It wasn't the first or the last either - the IDF has killed more international aid workers than even the Russian barbarians have in Ukraine. When you systematically make such "targeting mistakes" over and over again, at some point the deliberate targeting becomes obvious. > [ going one by one] Decrying the ills of imperialism and capitalism and patriarchy is not antisemitic. Sure, the nazis used these crisicisms to refer to Jewish people. But the Indians also used them to refer to their British colonizers, the Romanians used them to refer to the Ottomans and the Austro-Hungarians, the Afghani and the Nicaraguans used them to refer to the USA etc. Stating that imperialism and capitalism and colonialism are the cause of much suffering in this world is not antisemitic, unless you associate it with other antisemitic imagery. Pointing out that Israel is an imperialist country that is trying to conquer (pieces of) its neighbors and opressing the Palestinian people, sometimes for patriarchal/religious reasons, sometimes for capitalist interests, is not antisemitic. > This war was started by Hamas on October 7th, it's quite clear they are the aggressor here. This war started when the state of Israel was formed and kicked out much of the local Palestinian population (mostly Muslims, but also some Christians and even Jewish Palestinians). Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem have been under Israeli occupation for some 70+ years. October 7th was just one atrocity, from a long series of atrocities, on both sides, that have punctuated this war. But the aggressor in a war doesn't change just because of one attack by the defender, even when that attack is a war crime. If Ukraine launches a terrorist bombing in Moscow tomorrow killing 700 civillians, that war crime will not change the fact that Russia is the aggressor in that war.
- jameshilliard 1y ago

tsimionescu 1y ago

> It's much less an issue of getting aid into Gaza and much more an issue of distribution The WCK that you cited is very clear on this: the problem is getting aid into Gaza, not distributing it. They had to close their kitchens at the beginning of the year because they just couldn't get any supplies into the territory, because Israel wouldn't allow them - especially fuel. They found creative solutions in the meantime. > Even then I've yet to see any credible evidence that there is a famine, although there are certainly various degrees of food insecurity. Again, the org you yourself cited has many examples. > It quite clearly wasn't a case of the IDF intentionally targeting aid workers. It quite clearly was. The WCK said plain as day that it was. It wasn't the first or the last either - the IDF has killed more international aid workers than even the Russian barbarians have in Ukraine. When you systematically make such "targeting mistakes" over and over again, at some point the deliberate targeting becomes obvious. > [ going one by one] Decrying the ills of imperialism and capitalism and patriarchy is not antisemitic. Sure, the nazis used these crisicisms to refer to Jewish people. But the Indians also used them to refer to their British colonizers, the Romanians used them to refer to the Ottomans and the Austro-Hungarians, the Afghani and the Nicaraguans used them to refer to the USA etc. Stating that imperialism and capitalism and colonialism are the cause of much suffering in this world is not antisemitic, unless you associate it with other antisemitic imagery. Pointing out that Israel is an imperialist country that is trying to conquer (pieces of) its neighbors and opressing the Palestinian people, sometimes for patriarchal/religious reasons, sometimes for capitalist interests, is not antisemitic. > This war was started by Hamas on October 7th, it's quite clear they are the aggressor here. This war started when the state of Israel was formed and kicked out much of the local Palestinian population (mostly Muslims, but also some Christians and even Jewish Palestinians). Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem have been under Israeli occupation for some 70+ years. October 7th was just one atrocity, from a long series of atrocities, on both sides, that have punctuated this war. But the aggressor in a war doesn't change just because of one attack by the defender, even when that attack is a war crime. If Ukraine launches a terrorist bombing in Moscow tomorrow killing 700 civillians, that war crime will not change the fact that Russia is the aggressor in that war.

jameshilliard 1y ago