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Tried to withdraw? Seems like they like things just how they are. (Well except for the part where they want the Palestinians to give up any claims to the land t

Tried to withdraw? Seems like they like things just how they are. (Well except for the part where they want the Palestinians to give up any claims to the land that was stolen from them and just evaporate.) The result of Israel: - subjugating Palestinians in a ghetto, controlling everything that goes into and out of Gaza - preventing Gazans from having their own power, airports, piers, and more, and - "putting them on a diet", and - propping up Hamas to have a plausible enemy to fight against in Gaza, and - occasionally "mowing the lawn" to kill hundreds (or thousands) is the creation of anti-Israel hatred. Once that boils over, you get what happened, which is the murder and kidnapping of innocent people in Israel. > Hamas on the other hand does indeed have the power to end it all - if not with all their dreams and wishes being fulfilled - which is a pretty outrageous expectation for the losing party Maybe instead petition Netanyahu et al to stop committing a genocide? They can stop flattening Gaza and starving Gazans at any point. They hold all the cards.

oytis 1y ago
They could stop the current stage of the war, sure. They couldn't achieve peace though - basically stopping the operation would mean reverting to pre Oct. 2023 state with Israel trying to improve their security (aka "blockade") so that it doesn't happen again. Given the recent advances in military practice I would imagine that would involve lots of drones flying over Gaza 24/7 and I can already hear what international organizations are saying about that. Hamas on the other hand has the keys for the permanent peace. Not implying that the way current operation is waged is justified though.
- nielsbot 1y ago
  Israel can become one state with democracy for all its residents. That's the real answer. > I can already hear what international organizations are saying about that What will they say? (And would they be wrong?) Imprisoning Palestinian refugees is definitely a human rights violation. > Hamas on the other hand has the keys for the permanent peace Not sure why everyone says Israel (the state with all the power in this relationship) is powerless. What do you propose Hamas do to ensure permanent peace?
  - HDThoreaun 1y ago
    > Israel can become one state with democracy for all its residents. That's the real answer. Why would israelis invite a population who has sworn to kill them into their country?

oytis 1y ago

They could stop the current stage of the war, sure. They couldn't achieve peace though - basically stopping the operation would mean reverting to pre Oct. 2023 state with Israel trying to improve their security (aka "blockade") so that it doesn't happen again. Given the recent advances in military practice I would imagine that would involve lots of drones flying over Gaza 24/7 and I can already hear what international organizations are saying about that. Hamas on the other hand has the keys for the permanent peace. Not implying that the way current operation is waged is justified though.

nielsbot 1y ago
Israel can become one state with democracy for all its residents. That's the real answer. > I can already hear what international organizations are saying about that What will they say? (And would they be wrong?) Imprisoning Palestinian refugees is definitely a human rights violation. > Hamas on the other hand has the keys for the permanent peace Not sure why everyone says Israel (the state with all the power in this relationship) is powerless. What do you propose Hamas do to ensure permanent peace?
- HDThoreaun 1y ago
  > Israel can become one state with democracy for all its residents. That's the real answer. Why would israelis invite a population who has sworn to kill them into their country?