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Author here — I mentioned this in the article but if someone waxes poetic about a march while conveniently omitting the fact that seemingly every speech there w

Author here — I mentioned this in the article but if someone waxes poetic about a march while conveniently omitting the fact that seemingly every speech there was insane and bigoted, [1] they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. [1] https://hopenothate.org.uk/2025/09/13/britains-biggest-far-right-protest-more-than-100000-attend-tommy-robinsons-unite-the-kingdom-rally/ https://hopenothate.org.uk/2025/09/13/britains-biggest-far-r...

legitster 1y ago
> they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. I really implore you to reconsider this position. Our world is wrapped up in injustice and political violence because everyone is jumping to extremist positions. And the last thing we need is declaring people guilty merely by association or poor attempts at empathy. From a good faith reading of DHH's article, it's pretty clear he is expressing empathy for the feelings of the marchers (and even TR) without much care to the particulars (it doesn't sound like he himself marched or was personally witness to them). In the same way we allow for people to feel empathy for Luigi Mangione's motives without accusing them of also being homicidal. You would be better off digging into DHH's actual problematic idea that he is trying to put forward: that the UK, or more specifically London, should fetishize and emulate the policy of anti-immigration countries. His actual thesis is bad enough and easily debunked without trying to pick apart "dog-whistles" and subtexts. DHH is expressing a terrible idea, but in good faith. To maybe prove his point for him in an ironic way - Denmark can have actual harmful, racist, anti-immigrant legislation - but because no one cared about the rhetoric that was used they got it done.
- jakelazaroff 1y ago
  He is the one who chose to use the march as an example, and he's the one who chose to lie by omission about what actually went down there. I'm not declaring him guilty by association, I just refuse to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who's clearly playing in my face.
- archagon 1y ago
  Sometimes a racist is just a racist. Everything in his writing points to it, though maybe he hasn’t quite admitted it to himself yet. “White Brits (or Nords, or Americans) are the only true Brits (Nords/Americans)” is a difficult position for me to have any sort of sympathy or tolerance for, though I’m sure his distressed feelings on this matter are genuine.

legitster 1y ago

> they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. I really implore you to reconsider this position. Our world is wrapped up in injustice and political violence because everyone is jumping to extremist positions. And the last thing we need is declaring people guilty merely by association or poor attempts at empathy. From a good faith reading of DHH's article, it's pretty clear he is expressing empathy for the feelings of the marchers (and even TR) without much care to the particulars (it doesn't sound like he himself marched or was personally witness to them). In the same way we allow for people to feel empathy for Luigi Mangione's motives without accusing them of also being homicidal. You would be better off digging into DHH's actual problematic idea that he is trying to put forward: that the UK, or more specifically London, should fetishize and emulate the policy of anti-immigration countries. His actual thesis is bad enough and easily debunked without trying to pick apart "dog-whistles" and subtexts. DHH is expressing a terrible idea, but in good faith. To maybe prove his point for him in an ironic way - Denmark can have actual harmful, racist, anti-immigrant legislation - but because no one cared about the rhetoric that was used they got it done.

jakelazaroff 1y ago
He is the one who chose to use the march as an example, and he's the one who chose to lie by omission about what actually went down there. I'm not declaring him guilty by association, I just refuse to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who's clearly playing in my face.
archagon 1y ago
Sometimes a racist is just a racist. Everything in his writing points to it, though maybe he hasn’t quite admitted it to himself yet. “White Brits (or Nords, or Americans) are the only true Brits (Nords/Americans)” is a difficult position for me to have any sort of sympathy or tolerance for, though I’m sure his distressed feelings on this matter are genuine.