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Ok, find a single international humanitarian organization active in Gaza that believes that Gazans are treated well. Or even a single one active in Gaza that is

Ok, find a single international humanitarian organization active in Gaza that believes that Gazans are treated well. Or even a single one active in Gaza that is not saying that a blatant genocide is taking place. And the "tentacles" are the heads of a hydra labeled "Imperialism", "Racism", "Extractivism", "Capitalism", "Patriarchy". Not sure how much clearer the imagery could get, and which part of this is antisemitic.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> even a single one active in Gaza that is not saying that a blatant genocide is taking place Anyone saying, definitively and prior to 17 September [1], that a genocide was or was not taking place in Gaza is probably not credible. [1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c...
- tsimionescu 1y ago
  The ICC has found a significant risk of genocide more than a year ago, based on solid legal documents. People with on the ground experience have been saying it even longer. Holocaust scholars have been looking at the evidence and noticing the patterns. It's ridiculous to claim that it only started being a "legitimate genocide" two weeks ago.
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  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > The ICC has found a significant risk of genocide more than a year ago Both the court and the finding described are inaccurate: it was the ICJ, not the ICC, and it didn't find a significant risk of genocide (it found that Palestinians plausibly had rights under the Genocide Convention, South Africa had the legal right to bring a case to vindicate those rights, and there was a risk of harm in the period of adjudication of those rights were provisional measures not adopted.)
    - tsimionescu 1y ago
      Sorry, I always get the ICC and ICJ mixed up. But what you're saying undersells the decision. They very explicitly found that there is credible evidence of a risk of genocide, and ordered Israel to cease their military operations entirely until the court finishes its investigation. They reviewed numerous indications of genocidal intent from public speeches by President Hertz, ministers Ben Gvir and Smotrich, and various members of the Knesset, in addition to various facts about the way the actual operations are carried out. Here is their specific finding [0]: > In light of the considerations set out above, the Court considers that there is a real and imminent risk of irreparable prejudice to the plausible rights invoked by South Africa [emp. mine], as specified by the Court. The rights above being protection from genocide. [0] https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454 https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454 (chapter V, last paragraph)
      - dragonwriter 1y ago
        Prejudice to the rights to be protected against genocide doesn’t mean genocide, it can mean making it impossible to litigate the potential violations because of destruction of evidence and witnesses, with or without genocide. The ICJ decision is important, but it being sold as a ruling on the likelihood of an ultimate genocide finding is inaccurate.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        You're treating the "real and imminent risk" finding as being comparable to an injunction, which weighs whether the plaintiff is likely to succeed on the merits of the cafe. To my knowledge, the ICJ doesn't do that.
jameshilliard 1y ago
> Or even a single one active in Gaza that is not saying that a blatant genocide is taking place. World Central Kitchen is active in Gaza and last I checked makes no claim of there being a genocide in Gaza. > And the "tentacles" are the heads of a hydra labeled "Imperialism", "Racism", "Extractivism", "Capitalism", "Patriarchy". What seems to be implied here is that these are the means in which the Jews control the world. Casting Israelis/Jews as demonic figures in general is also a common antisemitic trope. > Not sure how much clearer the imagery could get, and which part of this is antisemitic. The implied world domination part as well as the demonic imagery.
- tsimionescu 1y ago
  > World Central Kitchen is active in Gaza and last I checked makes no claim of there being a genocide in Gaza. They don't talk about genocide, true, but they do talk about the famine they're seeing and the extreme difficulty of getting humanitarian aid into Gaza - causing them to have almost ceased food delivery at the beginning of this year, before finding ingenious new ways of cooking and delivering supplies. It's also funny to pick an organization which has suffered one of the most clear and well documented assassinations of aid workers by Israeli forces, the World Central Kitchen attack in 2024. This was one of the cases that even the IDF couldn't invent a justification for (the convoy they killed had been coordinating constantly with them, they had followed the root exactly, etc). They called it a regrettable error, of course. > What seems to be implied here is that these are the means in which the Jews control the world. Casting Israelis/Jews as demonic figures in general is also a common antisemitic trope. The comic is quite explicit, we don't have to look for implicit innuendo. It says that these forces (imperialism, capitalism, etc) are the main reasons for food insecurity everywhere this happens in the world, and Gaza is just one example. While Israel, backed by the USA, is the aggressor in the case of Gaza, the same forces (again, meaning imperialist tendencies, not some conspiracy of "evil Jews") behind other acts of aggression by other states in other places impacted by famine.
  - jameshilliard 1y ago
    > They don't talk about genocide, true, but they do talk about the famine they're seeing and the extreme difficulty of getting humanitarian aid into Gaza - causing them to have almost ceased food delivery at the beginning of this year, before finding ingenious new ways of cooking and delivering supplies. It's much less an issue of getting aid into Gaza and much more an issue of distribution, with most aid being intercepted before reaching the intended destination[3]. Even then I've yet to see any credible evidence that there is a famine, although there are certainly various degrees of food insecurity. > It's also funny to pick an organization which has suffered one of the most clear and well documented assassinations of aid workers by Israeli forces, the World Central Kitchen attack in 2024. This was one of the cases that even the IDF couldn't invent a justification for (the convoy they killed had been coordinating constantly with them, they had followed the root exactly, etc). They called it a regrettable error, of course. It's a war, targeting mistakes happen, the IDF generally makes an effort to investigate when these sort of things happen. It quite clearly wasn't a case of the IDF intentionally targeting aid workers. There are simply no incentives or evidence for the IDF to have a policy of deliberately targeting WCK aid workers. Friendly fire incidents where IDF soldiers have been killed have been somewhat common in Gaza in general so it certainly doesn't seem to be improbable that a targeting mistake like this could happen by accident. > The comic is quite explicit, we don't have to look for implicit innuendo. Lets go through these and see if they match up with antisemetic tropes as well. > imperialism So here we have the "world imperialism"[0] antisemetic trope. > capitalism Here we have the "Jewish Capitalism"[1] antisemetic trope. we even have a "Patriarchy"[2] trope as well Seems pretty clear to me what the author is doing here. > While Israel, backed by the USA, is the aggressor in the case of Gaza, the same forces (again, meaning imperialist tendencies, not some conspiracy of "evil Jews") behind other acts of aggression by other states in other places impacted by famine. This war was started by Hamas on October 7th, it's quite clear they are the aggressor here. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Causing_wars,_revolutions_and_calamities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Causing_wars... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_capitalism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Turning_people_LGBT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Turning_peop... [3] https://app.un2720.org/tracking https://app.un2720.org/tracking

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> even a single one active in Gaza that is not saying that a blatant genocide is taking place Anyone saying, definitively and prior to 17 September [1], that a genocide was or was not taking place in Gaza is probably not credible. [1] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c...

tsimionescu 1y ago
The ICC has found a significant risk of genocide more than a year ago, based on solid legal documents. People with on the ground experience have been saying it even longer. Holocaust scholars have been looking at the evidence and noticing the patterns. It's ridiculous to claim that it only started being a "legitimate genocide" two weeks ago.
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- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > The ICC has found a significant risk of genocide more than a year ago Both the court and the finding described are inaccurate: it was the ICJ, not the ICC, and it didn't find a significant risk of genocide (it found that Palestinians plausibly had rights under the Genocide Convention, South Africa had the legal right to bring a case to vindicate those rights, and there was a risk of harm in the period of adjudication of those rights were provisional measures not adopted.)
  - tsimionescu 1y ago
    Sorry, I always get the ICC and ICJ mixed up. But what you're saying undersells the decision. They very explicitly found that there is credible evidence of a risk of genocide, and ordered Israel to cease their military operations entirely until the court finishes its investigation. They reviewed numerous indications of genocidal intent from public speeches by President Hertz, ministers Ben Gvir and Smotrich, and various members of the Knesset, in addition to various facts about the way the actual operations are carried out. Here is their specific finding [0]: > In light of the considerations set out above, the Court considers that there is a real and imminent risk of irreparable prejudice to the plausible rights invoked by South Africa [emp. mine], as specified by the Court. The rights above being protection from genocide. [0] https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454 https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203454 (chapter V, last paragraph)
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      Prejudice to the rights to be protected against genocide doesn’t mean genocide, it can mean making it impossible to litigate the potential violations because of destruction of evidence and witnesses, with or without genocide. The ICJ decision is important, but it being sold as a ruling on the likelihood of an ultimate genocide finding is inaccurate.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      You're treating the "real and imminent risk" finding as being comparable to an injunction, which weighs whether the plaintiff is likely to succeed on the merits of the cafe. To my knowledge, the ICJ doesn't do that.

jameshilliard 1y ago

> Or even a single one active in Gaza that is not saying that a blatant genocide is taking place. World Central Kitchen is active in Gaza and last I checked makes no claim of there being a genocide in Gaza. > And the "tentacles" are the heads of a hydra labeled "Imperialism", "Racism", "Extractivism", "Capitalism", "Patriarchy". What seems to be implied here is that these are the means in which the Jews control the world. Casting Israelis/Jews as demonic figures in general is also a common antisemitic trope. > Not sure how much clearer the imagery could get, and which part of this is antisemitic. The implied world domination part as well as the demonic imagery.

tsimionescu 1y ago
> World Central Kitchen is active in Gaza and last I checked makes no claim of there being a genocide in Gaza. They don't talk about genocide, true, but they do talk about the famine they're seeing and the extreme difficulty of getting humanitarian aid into Gaza - causing them to have almost ceased food delivery at the beginning of this year, before finding ingenious new ways of cooking and delivering supplies. It's also funny to pick an organization which has suffered one of the most clear and well documented assassinations of aid workers by Israeli forces, the World Central Kitchen attack in 2024. This was one of the cases that even the IDF couldn't invent a justification for (the convoy they killed had been coordinating constantly with them, they had followed the root exactly, etc). They called it a regrettable error, of course. > What seems to be implied here is that these are the means in which the Jews control the world. Casting Israelis/Jews as demonic figures in general is also a common antisemitic trope. The comic is quite explicit, we don't have to look for implicit innuendo. It says that these forces (imperialism, capitalism, etc) are the main reasons for food insecurity everywhere this happens in the world, and Gaza is just one example. While Israel, backed by the USA, is the aggressor in the case of Gaza, the same forces (again, meaning imperialist tendencies, not some conspiracy of "evil Jews") behind other acts of aggression by other states in other places impacted by famine.
- jameshilliard 1y ago
  > They don't talk about genocide, true, but they do talk about the famine they're seeing and the extreme difficulty of getting humanitarian aid into Gaza - causing them to have almost ceased food delivery at the beginning of this year, before finding ingenious new ways of cooking and delivering supplies. It's much less an issue of getting aid into Gaza and much more an issue of distribution, with most aid being intercepted before reaching the intended destination[3]. Even then I've yet to see any credible evidence that there is a famine, although there are certainly various degrees of food insecurity. > It's also funny to pick an organization which has suffered one of the most clear and well documented assassinations of aid workers by Israeli forces, the World Central Kitchen attack in 2024. This was one of the cases that even the IDF couldn't invent a justification for (the convoy they killed had been coordinating constantly with them, they had followed the root exactly, etc). They called it a regrettable error, of course. It's a war, targeting mistakes happen, the IDF generally makes an effort to investigate when these sort of things happen. It quite clearly wasn't a case of the IDF intentionally targeting aid workers. There are simply no incentives or evidence for the IDF to have a policy of deliberately targeting WCK aid workers. Friendly fire incidents where IDF soldiers have been killed have been somewhat common in Gaza in general so it certainly doesn't seem to be improbable that a targeting mistake like this could happen by accident. > The comic is quite explicit, we don't have to look for implicit innuendo. Lets go through these and see if they match up with antisemetic tropes as well. > imperialism So here we have the "world imperialism"[0] antisemetic trope. > capitalism Here we have the "Jewish Capitalism"[1] antisemetic trope. we even have a "Patriarchy"[2] trope as well Seems pretty clear to me what the author is doing here. > While Israel, backed by the USA, is the aggressor in the case of Gaza, the same forces (again, meaning imperialist tendencies, not some conspiracy of "evil Jews") behind other acts of aggression by other states in other places impacted by famine. This war was started by Hamas on October 7th, it's quite clear they are the aggressor here. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Causing_wars,_revolutions_and_calamities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Causing_wars... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_capitalism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Turning_people_LGBT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope#Turning_peop... [3] https://app.un2720.org/tracking https://app.un2720.org/tracking