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The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-servi

The division is not about the starvation of Gaza. All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza. Apart from some lip-service from left-wing leaders, to my knowledge no Jewish leader has spoken against the starvation. Israeli media (except for Haaretz) have largely denied that there is a famine, and have called it a "propaganda campaign" by the Hamas.

abrenuntio 1y ago
Some Orthodox Jews are very active against it, on very sound religious grounds.
- kergonath 1y ago
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  - dang 1y ago
    No religious flamewar, please, no matter how many flames are burning already. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- wat10000 1y ago
  Pretty sure there's some commandment about this.
- ebbi 1y ago
  They're a very tiny minority, and unfortunately they also get harrassed by Zionist Israelis
  - culi 1y ago
    About 22% of Israel is orthodox and about 13% can be called "ultra-orthodox". They play a major role in politics. Most prominently and recently, the 8-decade long exemption from the draft for Haredi Jewish people was ended causing a major crisis in Israel's government. All Haredi representatives of the Knesset withdrew leaving Netanyahu's party's majority with a razor thin margin of 61 seats in the 120-seat Knesset
- fakedang 1y ago
  You mean the really small minority of orthodox Jews who live outside Israel and oppose Zionism because they believe the coming of the Messiah should not be driven by humans (or something like that)? Or the ones who oppose the current Gaza conflict because of the recent push to conscript them into the armed forces, when they previously enjoyed the exemption? Trust me, no orthodox Jews are opposing the Gaza conflict on humanitarian grounds. On the contrary, there is a STRONG orthodox faction in Netanyahu's government (of which Smotrich is a member).
JamesAdir 1y ago
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- rmujica 1y ago
  "Starvation campaign"
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > reputable news outlet such as TikTok /s?
catlover76 1y ago
If you watch Peter Beinart's channel, he has had Ehud Olmert and Avraham Berg on. IDK if they touched upon starvation specifically, but it seemed like they were not in denial about Israel's actions, especially the latter (I think Beinart lightly pressed Olmert on whether Israel's actions constitute genocide, and Olmert disagreed, and I don't know that I begrudge him that, given his position). Neither of these former politicians are current leaders, of course.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza Source?
justin66 1y ago
Honest question from someone whose knowledge of Israel's government isn't deep: does "Zionist parties" mean anything other than the parties which are not Arab parties? (are members of the Arab parties free to advocate against Zionism and Israel's status as a Jewish state?)
- ciconia 1y ago
  All parties except for the Arabs and ultra religious are Zionist. The ultra religious have their own relationship with Zionism, but are members of the government. While Arab MKs do enjoy freedom of speech, they are ostracized and delegitimized by the majority of Jewish MKs.
  - 7402 1y ago
    > they are ostracized and delegitimized by the majority of Jewish MKs Not exactly. A conservative Arab party was part of the ruling government coalition in 2021. They joined with a wide spectrum of political parties seeking to defeat the Likud Prime Minister Netanyahu.
    - PoignardAzur 1y ago
      That was an exceptional event, that was deeply unpopular within said coalition, and only possible because Netanyahu was widely hated. From what I read, none of the Jewish parties are interested in renewing the experience.
babyshake 1y ago
My understanding is the defense made by Zionist parties is more that Hamas has culpability in the starvation. I haven't seen this claim verified or debunked sufficiently to have a strong opinion about it but it at least seems within reason to me that Hamas is acting in bad faith and is weaponizing starvation of Gaza residents.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Hamas has culpability in the starvation I mean, sure? Like, I'm sure Hamas stole like some food. At least once. Non-zero culpability. Sort of irrelevant to the fact that most of the culpability lies with the guys withholding food from starving people.
- NomDePlum 1y ago
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- jayveeone 1y ago
  Perhaps the fact that the Israeli state are the only ones making this claim, and many multiple experts, humanitarians, countries, leaders, are saying the exact opposite should be sufficient enough to debunk the claim.
- Agingcoder 1y ago
  The Israeli military itself debunked it I think . The us said the same thing. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

abrenuntio 1y ago

Some Orthodox Jews are very active against it, on very sound religious grounds.

kergonath 1y ago
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- dang 1y ago
  No religious flamewar, please, no matter how many flames are burning already. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
wat10000 1y ago
Pretty sure there's some commandment about this.
ebbi 1y ago
They're a very tiny minority, and unfortunately they also get harrassed by Zionist Israelis
- culi 1y ago
  About 22% of Israel is orthodox and about 13% can be called "ultra-orthodox". They play a major role in politics. Most prominently and recently, the 8-decade long exemption from the draft for Haredi Jewish people was ended causing a major crisis in Israel's government. All Haredi representatives of the Knesset withdrew leaving Netanyahu's party's majority with a razor thin margin of 61 seats in the 120-seat Knesset
fakedang 1y ago
You mean the really small minority of orthodox Jews who live outside Israel and oppose Zionism because they believe the coming of the Messiah should not be driven by humans (or something like that)? Or the ones who oppose the current Gaza conflict because of the recent push to conscript them into the armed forces, when they previously enjoyed the exemption? Trust me, no orthodox Jews are opposing the Gaza conflict on humanitarian grounds. On the contrary, there is a STRONG orthodox faction in Netanyahu's government (of which Smotrich is a member).

JamesAdir 1y ago

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rmujica 1y ago
"Starvation campaign"
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> reputable news outlet such as TikTok /s?

catlover76 1y ago

If you watch Peter Beinart's channel, he has had Ehud Olmert and Avraham Berg on. IDK if they touched upon starvation specifically, but it seemed like they were not in denial about Israel's actions, especially the latter (I think Beinart lightly pressed Olmert on whether Israel's actions constitute genocide, and Olmert disagreed, and I don't know that I begrudge him that, given his position). Neither of these former politicians are current leaders, of course.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> All Zionist parties in the Israeli parliament support the military campaign in Gaza Source?

justin66 1y ago

Honest question from someone whose knowledge of Israel's government isn't deep: does "Zionist parties" mean anything other than the parties which are not Arab parties? (are members of the Arab parties free to advocate against Zionism and Israel's status as a Jewish state?)

ciconia 1y ago
All parties except for the Arabs and ultra religious are Zionist. The ultra religious have their own relationship with Zionism, but are members of the government. While Arab MKs do enjoy freedom of speech, they are ostracized and delegitimized by the majority of Jewish MKs.
- 7402 1y ago
  > they are ostracized and delegitimized by the majority of Jewish MKs Not exactly. A conservative Arab party was part of the ruling government coalition in 2021. They joined with a wide spectrum of political parties seeking to defeat the Likud Prime Minister Netanyahu.
  - PoignardAzur 1y ago
    That was an exceptional event, that was deeply unpopular within said coalition, and only possible because Netanyahu was widely hated. From what I read, none of the Jewish parties are interested in renewing the experience.

babyshake 1y ago

My understanding is the defense made by Zionist parties is more that Hamas has culpability in the starvation. I haven't seen this claim verified or debunked sufficiently to have a strong opinion about it but it at least seems within reason to me that Hamas is acting in bad faith and is weaponizing starvation of Gaza residents.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Hamas has culpability in the starvation I mean, sure? Like, I'm sure Hamas stole like some food. At least once. Non-zero culpability. Sort of irrelevant to the fact that most of the culpability lies with the guys withholding food from starving people.
NomDePlum 1y ago
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jayveeone 1y ago
Perhaps the fact that the Israeli state are the only ones making this claim, and many multiple experts, humanitarians, countries, leaders, are saying the exact opposite should be sufficient enough to debunk the claim.
Agingcoder 1y ago
The Israeli military itself debunked it I think . The us said the same thing. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...