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Ethnic cleansing is deeply wrong. Starvation as a tactic of war is horrible and evil. But it doesn't sound like people here do know what is happening. The CNN

Ethnic cleansing is deeply wrong. Starvation as a tactic of war is horrible and evil. But it doesn't sound like people here do know what is happening. The CNN article gives the low calorie consumption amount as 1400. 1400 was a specific time/event and the worst case CNN listed. The US, in post war Germany, doing it 'the right way' according to history, targeted (so many received lower) 1500 calories a day. Or 1000 a day when airdropped. According to the CNN article, Israel's action during an ongoing conflict is about par with how the US did it for years in post war Germany. And remember Germany is much larger than Gaza, so people had much larger distances to cover. Those that couldn't be reached received airlifts that only targeted 1000 calories per day. War sucks. It sucks that the government of Gaza chose to start a war. What we are seeing is the impacts of that. And it is awful. But it's also in line with the conditions in post WW2 Germany, arguable one of the best historical treatments of an aggressor by victors over it. Germany isn't referred to as a starvation, but as a successful reconstruction. It is the 'norm' to which people speak when they speak of how to treat an aggressor population when they lose to victors. It is the literal 'norm' that people are calling for in Gaza. I only looked into it because people here were pointing to it as how Israel should be acting in Gaza on last weeks Gaza story. And I was surprised to find that Israel is acting within that established norm that people here were calling for just last week (until I looked up what the norm/numbers were and brought those facts into the discussion).

yibg 1y ago
I'm not sure why this is important to the discussion. The important question is: are people in Gaza starving or not? If they are, I couldn't care less what we did during WW2. Secondarily, just because there was a guideline during WW2 that was deemed "the right way", it's the result that counts. Were people starving in Germany post WW2? If so that was wrong then too.
- hdlothia 1y ago
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- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
  The Red Cross sets a floor of 1500 calories within the USA, lower than the floor Israel sets for Gaza. Does the Red Cross starve American's/use food as a weapon? https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/2022-09/Mass%20Care%20Feeding%20Appendix%20%282020%29.pdf https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/202... The UN itself has cut food distribution/caloric intake in Kenya (in need in huge part because of war refugees from Sudan) in half, is the UN using food as a weapon? The UN is saying it wants to provide aid at a much higher level to the people of Gaza than it provides to the people in Kenya.
DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
> Starvation as a tactic of war is horrible and evil. But it doesn't sound like people here do know what is happening. The problem for your argument is that Israeli leaders have publicly said over and over again that they are intentionally starving the Palestinians in Gaza. > 1400 was a specific time/event and the worst case CNN listed. Israel let in 0 calories for months on end. They have blocked the UN from providing food aid, and have attempted to completely destroy the main UN agency providing food in Gaza. When Israel does let food in, it is only in response to international pressure. If the Israeli government thought it could get away with killing every last Palestinian in Gaza, it would.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Israeli leaders have publicly said over and over again that they are intentionally starving the Palestinians in Gaza To be fair, Israeli leaders can be quoted saying just about anything, same as in pretty much any democracy. What matters is which leaders are saying what, what authority they have, and what's happening on the ground.
  - DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
    The Israeli Prime Minister and Defense Minister are not just random, low-level people with no authority who are shooting the breeze. Nobody who has followed the news over the last two years can seriously claim that this isn't Israeli policy. Did Israel block all aid shipments for months earlier this year by accident?
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      Sorry, didn't realise it was attributed to their comments. > Nobody who has followed the news over the last two years can seriously claim that this isn't Israeli policy Eh, it's fair to say there isn't an Israeli policy. Same as there isn't a Palestinian one. We have a black box in Hamas and around Netanyahu.
      - 1y ago

yibg 1y ago

I'm not sure why this is important to the discussion. The important question is: are people in Gaza starving or not? If they are, I couldn't care less what we did during WW2. Secondarily, just because there was a guideline during WW2 that was deemed "the right way", it's the result that counts. Were people starving in Germany post WW2? If so that was wrong then too.

hdlothia 1y ago
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_DeadFred_ 1y ago
The Red Cross sets a floor of 1500 calories within the USA, lower than the floor Israel sets for Gaza. Does the Red Cross starve American's/use food as a weapon? https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/2022-09/Mass%20Care%20Feeding%20Appendix%20%282020%29.pdf https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/202... The UN itself has cut food distribution/caloric intake in Kenya (in need in huge part because of war refugees from Sudan) in half, is the UN using food as a weapon? The UN is saying it wants to provide aid at a much higher level to the people of Gaza than it provides to the people in Kenya.

DiogenesKynikos 1y ago

> Starvation as a tactic of war is horrible and evil. But it doesn't sound like people here do know what is happening. The problem for your argument is that Israeli leaders have publicly said over and over again that they are intentionally starving the Palestinians in Gaza. > 1400 was a specific time/event and the worst case CNN listed. Israel let in 0 calories for months on end. They have blocked the UN from providing food aid, and have attempted to completely destroy the main UN agency providing food in Gaza. When Israel does let food in, it is only in response to international pressure. If the Israeli government thought it could get away with killing every last Palestinian in Gaza, it would.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Israeli leaders have publicly said over and over again that they are intentionally starving the Palestinians in Gaza To be fair, Israeli leaders can be quoted saying just about anything, same as in pretty much any democracy. What matters is which leaders are saying what, what authority they have, and what's happening on the ground.
- DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
  The Israeli Prime Minister and Defense Minister are not just random, low-level people with no authority who are shooting the breeze. Nobody who has followed the news over the last two years can seriously claim that this isn't Israeli policy. Did Israel block all aid shipments for months earlier this year by accident?
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    Sorry, didn't realise it was attributed to their comments. > Nobody who has followed the news over the last two years can seriously claim that this isn't Israeli policy Eh, it's fair to say there isn't an Israeli policy. Same as there isn't a Palestinian one. We have a black box in Hamas and around Netanyahu.
    - 1y ago