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I think people blaming it on Hamas need to realize that Israel funds Hamas and uses it as a tool to further their goals. Hamas is their version of Talibans. It

by asadm 1y ago

I think people blaming it on Hamas need to realize that Israel funds Hamas and uses it as a tool to further their goals. Hamas is their version of Talibans. It fully lines up.

mk89 1y ago
Well, if that was the case, it's not really working out for Israel now, is it? Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine, etc. This comment is widespread on X or other social media as the n-th conspiracy theory that Israel has staged the attack etc. Crazy.
- lejalv 1y ago
  You really need to google “Netanyahu. Hamas. Qatar”. Pick your favourite news source. You’re in for some surprises.
- brooke2k 1y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
  - mk89 1y ago
    Doesn't prove anything, and it definitely doesn't prove he gave Hamas weapons so they would be victims of a terror attack. Hell, we in the West have given Gaza (and indirectly, we knew it would go to Hamas) so much money. Did we support terrorism? How did we know that they would use our money to buy weapons to murder people in Israel instead of building good things? For me this is more showing an utter incompetence both from Nethanyau and our Western leaders who totally didn't see how they outsmarted us for years. Why do you think our leaders can control everything and know everything? They can make mistakes out of incompetence. I guess this strategy sometimes works in other countries, and sometimes they screw you :)
- logicchains 1y ago
  Israel's territory is still expanding, and Palestine's is still shrinking, so it seems to be working out pretty fine. All those countries recognising Palestine don't have the balls to actually conduct any kind of military intervention against Israel.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine Would note that none of the recent recognitions, to my knowledge, said anything about borders. A Palestinian state that solely exists in the West Bank would be consistent with these statements.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Israel funds Hamas Funded. Past tense. We funded the Mujahideen, once, and then got bombed by their successors.
- rgblambda 1y ago
  The Taliban had very little overlap in membership with the Mujahedeen. They were their successors in the sense that they overthrew them. The Mujahedeen did not morph into or rebrand as the Taliban. In fact they became the Northern Alliance, opposed to the Taliban.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Taliban had very little overlap in membership with the Mujahedeen Taliban didn't bomb America. Al Qaeda did. I believe bin Laden was in the Mujahideen.
    - rgblambda 1y ago
      Apologies, I thought you were referring to the Taliban.I've had previous conversations with people who had that misunderstanding. Bin Laden claimed that neither he nor his specific group of Arab foreign fighters (which became the genesis of Al Qaeda) received funding from the US. Though the reality was that the US funded proxies which funded the Afghan Mujahedeen, so it's possible he may have indirectly benefited. Bin Laden was independently wealthy and largely self funded his group though.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        To be clear, I don't think we funded bin Laden in proximity to 9/11. Just that we funded elements where bin Laden trained, and was likely--to some degree--radicalised, and then that blew back on us. October 7th looks like Israel's 9/11 in more than one way.
temptemptemp111 1y ago
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by asadm 1y ago

I think people blaming it on Hamas need to realize that Israel funds Hamas and uses it as a tool to further their goals. Hamas is their version of Talibans. It fully lines up.

mk89 1y ago

Well, if that was the case, it's not really working out for Israel now, is it? Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine, etc. This comment is widespread on X or other social media as the n-th conspiracy theory that Israel has staged the attack etc. Crazy.

lejalv 1y ago
You really need to google “Netanyahu. Hamas. Qatar”. Pick your favourite news source. You’re in for some surprises.
brooke2k 1y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
- mk89 1y ago
  Doesn't prove anything, and it definitely doesn't prove he gave Hamas weapons so they would be victims of a terror attack. Hell, we in the West have given Gaza (and indirectly, we knew it would go to Hamas) so much money. Did we support terrorism? How did we know that they would use our money to buy weapons to murder people in Israel instead of building good things? For me this is more showing an utter incompetence both from Nethanyau and our Western leaders who totally didn't see how they outsmarted us for years. Why do you think our leaders can control everything and know everything? They can make mistakes out of incompetence. I guess this strategy sometimes works in other countries, and sometimes they screw you :)
logicchains 1y ago
Israel's territory is still expanding, and Palestine's is still shrinking, so it seems to be working out pretty fine. All those countries recognising Palestine don't have the balls to actually conduct any kind of military intervention against Israel.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Considering that more and more countries are recognising Palestine Would note that none of the recent recognitions, to my knowledge, said anything about borders. A Palestinian state that solely exists in the West Bank would be consistent with these statements.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Israel funds Hamas Funded. Past tense. We funded the Mujahideen, once, and then got bombed by their successors.

rgblambda 1y ago
The Taliban had very little overlap in membership with the Mujahedeen. They were their successors in the sense that they overthrew them. The Mujahedeen did not morph into or rebrand as the Taliban. In fact they became the Northern Alliance, opposed to the Taliban.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Taliban had very little overlap in membership with the Mujahedeen Taliban didn't bomb America. Al Qaeda did. I believe bin Laden was in the Mujahideen.
  - rgblambda 1y ago
    Apologies, I thought you were referring to the Taliban.I've had previous conversations with people who had that misunderstanding. Bin Laden claimed that neither he nor his specific group of Arab foreign fighters (which became the genesis of Al Qaeda) received funding from the US. Though the reality was that the US funded proxies which funded the Afghan Mujahedeen, so it's possible he may have indirectly benefited. Bin Laden was independently wealthy and largely self funded his group though.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      To be clear, I don't think we funded bin Laden in proximity to 9/11. Just that we funded elements where bin Laden trained, and was likely--to some degree--radicalised, and then that blew back on us. October 7th looks like Israel's 9/11 in more than one way.

temptemptemp111 1y ago

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