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I finally understand what you mean. So Democrats should not send tax money to Washington and arrest ICE agents for whatever reason. And then deal with the court
by dh2022 1y ago
I finally understand what you mean. So Democrats should not send tax money to Washington and arrest ICE agents for whatever reason. And then deal with the courts later. I think I finally understand your point.
It will be interesting to see if this causes a war between the US Federal forces and whatever local armed forces the states could muster.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> will be interesting to see if this causes a war between the US Federal forces and whatever local armed forces the states could muster It wouldn't. It would provoke Trump into an overreaction. But war takes two to tango, and Democrats aren't--and shouldn't be--ready for civil war. (If Trump spent the next three years fighting Gavin Newsom for jailing his ICE agents, that's a win. It means he has less time to do something else.)
- dh2022 1y agoAnd how can the states arrest ICE agents without using force? You think ICE agents will just willingly walk into custody? The minute states use force against any US Federal agents the US Federal Government will use its military force. BTW - this also works in the following scenario: Trump's federal court finds Gavin Newsom guilty of something and US Federal Marshals to take him into custody. If Gavin tries to use California's forces to protect him against Marshals then US Federal Government will use military force to detain Gavin.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> how can the states arrest ICE agents without using force? You think ICE agents will just willingly walk into custody? If ICE start shooting at cops, we've won the battle. > minute states use force against any US Federal agents the US Federal Government will use its military force Sure, that's the overreaction. Nobody is ordering police to shoot back. > this also works in the following scenario: Trump's federal court finds Gavin Newsom guilty of something and US Federal Marshals to take him into custody Sure. I'd guess he wins the Presidency if Trump does this. Ordering state officers to detain ICE agents for breaking state law isn't criminal. Newsom's trial would become the media sensation of the next few years. Not whatever nonsense Trump conjurs up on a daily basis to earn media.
- dh2022 1y agoThanks for responding to my messages. I really do not think that if "ICE start shooting at cops we have won the battle" I do not think Gavin wins the presidency if Trump puts him in custody. In both of these situations I think the follow up is civil war. (which makes me wish we could separate from the deplorables peacefully. Unfortunately we cannot)
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> really do not think that if "ICE start shooting at cops we have won the battle" It wouldn't be ICE shooting at cops, it would be an ICE agent (or group of agents) shooting a cop attempting to detain them. (The easiest reason for the arrest would be enforcing California's new mask law.) The optics--shooting a cop--are bad. The precedent--violently resisting arrest--is bad. The entire situation is so dumb that I'm doubtful even the goons they're hiring at ICE would think it's a good idea. > do not think Gavin wins the presidency if Trump puts him in custody The track record of any elected being put in jail by their opponent, internationally and across history, is a massive jump in popularity. > In both of these situations I think the follow up is civil war The only real move if this is the path we're going down is a Governor trying to seize nuclear weapons. I don't think we are there. Not even close.
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- pseudalopex 1y agoI would not assume most California police would arrest federal law enforcement officers following the president's orders.