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Of which about all storage has been built in the last 2 years. Grids tend to operate on the timescale of decades. Do you realize what a complete disruption of

Of which about all storage has been built in the last 2 years. Grids tend to operate on the timescale of decades. Do you realize what a complete disruption of the grid storage is now? Storage does now work as long as you can cycle it every couple of days. Then we of course also have the backup of open cycle gas turbines. Low CAPEX and high OPEX. A good solution for backups. Force them to run on decarbonized fuels like ammonia, hydrogen, synfuels or biofuels (with decarbonized inputs) when even the backup needs to be decarbonized. You know, the exact same thing we use today to manage the yearly peak.

4gotunameagain 1y ago
So you're saying that cloudy countries should burn gas, or that decarbonised fuels will be cheaper than nuclear ? I don't believe that.
- ViewTrick1002 1y ago
  Cloudy countries should keep burning gas displacing as much as possible by installing renewables. Then step up to storage and finally whatever solution we settle on for seasonal storage in the 2030s. You don’t seem to comprehend how horrifyingly expensive new built nuclear power is.
  - lm28469 1y ago
    "just wait for the magic solution of the now+10 years" is what Germany has been doing for 70 years while France invested in nuclear. They're paying their electricity about 2x more than France while producing almost 10x the co2. Of course now that everyone fucked up for the best part of a century nuclear seems like a bad option... Nuclear didn't have to be expensive
    - kieranmaine 1y ago
      Based on https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-and-costs/ https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-an... France wasn't shielded from the increase gas prices due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. OTOH Finland has benefited from it's mix of mostly nuclear, hydro, wind.
    - ViewTrick1002 1y ago
      The French are wholly unable to build new nuclear power. Flamanville 3 is 7x over budget and 12 years late on a 5 year construction program. The EPR2 program is in absolute shambles. Currently they can’t even agree on how to fund the absolutely insanely bonkers subsidies. Now targeting investment decision in H2 2026… And the French government just fell because they are underwater in debt and have a spending problem which they can’t agree on how to fix. A massive handout to the dead end nuclear industry sounds like the perfect solution!

4gotunameagain 1y ago

So you're saying that cloudy countries should burn gas, or that decarbonised fuels will be cheaper than nuclear ? I don't believe that.

ViewTrick1002 1y ago
Cloudy countries should keep burning gas displacing as much as possible by installing renewables. Then step up to storage and finally whatever solution we settle on for seasonal storage in the 2030s. You don’t seem to comprehend how horrifyingly expensive new built nuclear power is.
- lm28469 1y ago
  "just wait for the magic solution of the now+10 years" is what Germany has been doing for 70 years while France invested in nuclear. They're paying their electricity about 2x more than France while producing almost 10x the co2. Of course now that everyone fucked up for the best part of a century nuclear seems like a bad option... Nuclear didn't have to be expensive
  - kieranmaine 1y ago
    Based on https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-and-costs/ https://ember-energy.org/data/european-electricity-prices-an... France wasn't shielded from the increase gas prices due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. OTOH Finland has benefited from it's mix of mostly nuclear, hydro, wind.
  - ViewTrick1002 1y ago
    The French are wholly unable to build new nuclear power. Flamanville 3 is 7x over budget and 12 years late on a 5 year construction program. The EPR2 program is in absolute shambles. Currently they can’t even agree on how to fund the absolutely insanely bonkers subsidies. Now targeting investment decision in H2 2026… And the French government just fell because they are underwater in debt and have a spending problem which they can’t agree on how to fix. A massive handout to the dead end nuclear industry sounds like the perfect solution!