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myrmidon 1y ago
You can make a good argument that a state forcefully resettling ethnicities is a form of genocide (the Nazis did that, too, e.g. with german speaking northern Italian minorities). But comparing that with the holocaust is just disrespectful hyperbole.
- Kim_Bruning 1y ago
  Holocaust had 6M jewish victims[1] (depending how you count). Current confirmed gaza death count is -as yet- ~65K [2], with projected ~600K at risk by year's end [3][4][5]. The original population of gaza was ~2M [6] which sets the upper bound to the crisis. (If you look at it as a % of population, it's quite a large number already.) Of course, one can argue that if the allies had been able to intervene sooner, the holocaust would have been less severe. Obviously we'd like to demonstrate some lessons learned here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany [2] https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-update-323-gaza-strip https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat... [3] https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-for-first-time-in-gaza https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-fo... [4] https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2025-08/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Malnutrition_July_Sept2025_Special_Snapshot.pdf https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/syste... [5] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-warn-key-food-and-nutrition-indicators-exceed-famine-thresholds-in-gaza-en-fr-es/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-wa... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
- tsimionescu 1y ago
  A huge part of the Holocaust was the forced relocation of Jewish people* to concentration camps, which would have been (rightly) remembered as an inexcusable horror even if the killings in said camps hadn't been as extensive and inhuman. * and Roma, and Armenians, and others - but that's less salient here.
boxed 1y ago
So the arab expulsion of the jews in 1948 was a genocide?
tomhow 1y ago
> [David Attenborough voice] Please don't comment like this on HN. We all know it's an awful situation. It needs to be discussed with sincerity, even if we find other people's opinions about it to be abhorrent. It's unbecoming to use tropes like this to sneer at other people's positions.

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You can make a good argument that a state forcefully resettling ethnicities is a form of genocide (the Nazis did that, too, e.g. with german speaking northern Italian minorities). But comparing that with the holocaust is just disrespectful hyperbole.

Kim_Bruning 1y ago
Holocaust had 6M jewish victims[1] (depending how you count). Current confirmed gaza death count is -as yet- ~65K [2], with projected ~600K at risk by year's end [3][4][5]. The original population of gaza was ~2M [6] which sets the upper bound to the crisis. (If you look at it as a % of population, it's quite a large number already.) Of course, one can argue that if the allies had been able to intervene sooner, the holocaust would have been less severe. Obviously we'd like to demonstrate some lessons learned here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany [2] https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-update-323-gaza-strip https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat... [3] https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-for-first-time-in-gaza https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-fo... [4] https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2025-08/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Malnutrition_July_Sept2025_Special_Snapshot.pdf https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/syste... [5] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-warn-key-food-and-nutrition-indicators-exceed-famine-thresholds-in-gaza-en-fr-es/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-wa... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
tsimionescu 1y ago
A huge part of the Holocaust was the forced relocation of Jewish people* to concentration camps, which would have been (rightly) remembered as an inexcusable horror even if the killings in said camps hadn't been as extensive and inhuman. * and Roma, and Armenians, and others - but that's less salient here.

boxed 1y ago

So the arab expulsion of the jews in 1948 was a genocide?

tomhow 1y ago

> [David Attenborough voice] Please don't comment like this on HN. We all know it's an awful situation. It needs to be discussed with sincerity, even if we find other people's opinions about it to be abhorrent. It's unbecoming to use tropes like this to sneer at other people's positions.