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For those out of the loop the actions of the Israeli gov. are not some fringe overreaction. This is what the people want. by their own admission, 48% of Israeli

For those out of the loop the actions of the Israeli gov. are not some fringe overreaction. This is what the people want. by their own admission, 48% of Israeli Jews want Palestinians to be ethnically cleansed which would constitute a genocidal act, while 79% believe they should get preferential treatment over Arabs. [0] Both Israeli Arabs & Palestinian Arabs. This is not some, 'oh no! it just happened.' Everyone who has actually spent time studying this conflict, the state of Israel has a policy of systematic rape, torture, mass incarceration, murder, and dehumanization of Palestinians at an industrial scale that's been in place for decades now. They're just going mask-off in a way Western audiences can't pretend not to know about it any longer. Israelis and their Western supporters try to make out their actions as that of fringe far-right loonies like Smotrich, etc. Nope. Systematic rape, torture, murder, of non-Jews has been their policy for decades now. You're just finally learning about it after so long. The ultra-orthodox don't make up a plurality of the population and used to not serve in the military until recently. So, if their abominable ideology is state policy, it's because Israelis are okay with it. [0]: https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-w...

ProllyInfamous 1y ago
Their hubris will be their own downfall. >Israel has denied the allegations. [from linked CNN article] People are waking up.
stefantalpalaru 1y ago
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boxed 1y ago
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- rowanseymour 1y ago
  "Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilation or mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group, or calling it a euphemism for genocide or cultural genocide." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
  - CerebralCerb 1y ago
    -cide is a latin suffix that quite simply means "kill". Trying to call ethnic cleansing genocide is like calling divorce mariticide or moving away from home patricide. The correct latin term would be something like "expulsio gentium".
    - pydry 1y ago
      Gazans are not being expelled though. Netanyahu's equivalent of the Nazi Madagascar Plan fell through, just like the Madagascar Plan did. His Plan B was the same as the Nazi Plan B: Genocide.
    - rowanseymour 1y ago
      Raphael Lemkin, the guy who first coined the term "genocide", considered "cultural genocide" (the killing of a culture if you will), a central component of genocide. Also, I don't know if you've noticed, but people generally resist being ethnic cleansed, and so the perpetrators have to kill a lot of them.
      - boxed 1y ago
        Ok? And moving them will kill their culture magically? Come on.
  - boxed 1y ago
    Notice the lack of "moving" in your quote. I'm not saying the moving isn't wrong, but it's a LONG way from gas chambers.
    - rowanseymour 1y ago
      "moving people" is a horrific way to obscure what is happening in Gaza today
      - boxed 1y ago
        That's not what anyone said. I said that moving people is not genocide. Killing people is genocide. And sometimes one happens (like when all muslim states in the entire world moved out the jews into Israel) and that's not a genocide, and sometimes the other happens (when the nazis killed the jews) and that IS genocide. Trying to put an equivalence between those two things is idiotic. And if you DO that, then the arab world perpetrated a massive "genocide" in 1948, much bigger than what the Nazis did. See how crazy that is? Obviously that's not what happened!
- churchill 1y ago
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  - myrmidon 1y ago
    You can make a good argument that a state forcefully resettling ethnicities is a form of genocide (the Nazis did that, too, e.g. with german speaking northern Italian minorities). But comparing that with the holocaust is just disrespectful hyperbole.
    - Kim_Bruning 1y ago
      Holocaust had 6M jewish victims[1] (depending how you count). Current confirmed gaza death count is -as yet- ~65K [2], with projected ~600K at risk by year's end [3][4][5]. The original population of gaza was ~2M [6] which sets the upper bound to the crisis. (If you look at it as a % of population, it's quite a large number already.) Of course, one can argue that if the allies had been able to intervene sooner, the holocaust would have been less severe. Obviously we'd like to demonstrate some lessons learned here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany [2] https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-update-323-gaza-strip https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat... [3] https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-for-first-time-in-gaza https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-fo... [4] https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2025-08/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Malnutrition_July_Sept2025_Special_Snapshot.pdf https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/syste... [5] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-warn-key-food-and-nutrition-indicators-exceed-famine-thresholds-in-gaza-en-fr-es/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-wa... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
    - tsimionescu 1y ago
      A huge part of the Holocaust was the forced relocation of Jewish people* to concentration camps, which would have been (rightly) remembered as an inexcusable horror even if the killings in said camps hadn't been as extensive and inhuman. * and Roma, and Armenians, and others - but that's less salient here.
- konmok 1y ago
  Historically, forced mass migrations are usually both a mechanism and an ideological cover for genocide. People like you are an integral part of these genocides by legitimizing their actions with statements like "moving people is not genocide".
dash2 1y ago
> Systematic rape, torture, murder, of non-Jews has been their policy for decades now. I'd like some evidence for each of these three. I'm aware of the policy of interrogation which might count as "a policy of systematic torture". Can you do systematic rape and murder?
- churchill 1y ago
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  - incrudible 1y ago
    There is an abundance of allegations and testimony from not exactly neutral sources and a few isolated cases that have actual evidence going for them - which have been investigated and prosecuted by authorities.
  - dlubarov 1y ago
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    - Kim_Bruning 1y ago
      > Jewish sources like Jewish Chronicle, ADL and JVL are largely banned, as well as all the major conservative news sources. Source? My personal rule-of-thumb is that an international news source is likely to be fairly reliable so long as it's not reporting on something that they have a conflict of interest in (eg home country/demographic).
      - dlubarov 1y ago
        The source ratings (for sources that have been discussed substantially) are on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...
        monocasa 1y ago
machina_ex_deus 1y ago
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- BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
  I was gonna argue with the parent comment but instead here you are doing your best to prove their point. In your mind there’s one Palestinian person, multiplied by a couple million, and you hate that person. It’s the same as any racism.
- tsimionescu 1y ago
  > Gaza was given to the Palestinians for free in 2005. That doesn't mean anything. Israel was illegally occupying Gaza before 2005, and has been illegally blockading it since. And every single year for the past 50 years or more, Israel has murdered more Palestinians than the Palestinians have murdered Israelis - most years, at least 2 dead Palestinians for every dead Israeli. Not to mention, Netanyahu has been one of the biggest international supporters of Hamas in the world, and he has admitted to as much repeatedly: the PLA having control of Gaza would have risked a real two state solution, and he will never allow that to happen.
  - machina_ex_deus 1y ago
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    - tsimionescu 1y ago
      Oh yes, the people killing tens of thousands of children are the ones who value human life.
  - robertoandred 1y ago
    And Egypt was occupying it before Israel, and the British and the Ottomans and the Romans.
    - yibg 1y ago

ProllyInfamous 1y ago

Their hubris will be their own downfall. >Israel has denied the allegations. [from linked CNN article] People are waking up.

stefantalpalaru 1y ago

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rowanseymour 1y ago
"Both the definition and charge of ethnic cleansing is often disputed, with some researchers including and others excluding coercive assimilation or mass killings as a means of depopulating an area of a particular group, or calling it a euphemism for genocide or cultural genocide." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing
- CerebralCerb 1y ago
  -cide is a latin suffix that quite simply means "kill". Trying to call ethnic cleansing genocide is like calling divorce mariticide or moving away from home patricide. The correct latin term would be something like "expulsio gentium".
  - pydry 1y ago
    Gazans are not being expelled though. Netanyahu's equivalent of the Nazi Madagascar Plan fell through, just like the Madagascar Plan did. His Plan B was the same as the Nazi Plan B: Genocide.
  - rowanseymour 1y ago
    Raphael Lemkin, the guy who first coined the term "genocide", considered "cultural genocide" (the killing of a culture if you will), a central component of genocide. Also, I don't know if you've noticed, but people generally resist being ethnic cleansed, and so the perpetrators have to kill a lot of them.
    - boxed 1y ago
      Ok? And moving them will kill their culture magically? Come on.
- boxed 1y ago
  Notice the lack of "moving" in your quote. I'm not saying the moving isn't wrong, but it's a LONG way from gas chambers.
  - rowanseymour 1y ago
    "moving people" is a horrific way to obscure what is happening in Gaza today
    - boxed 1y ago
      That's not what anyone said. I said that moving people is not genocide. Killing people is genocide. And sometimes one happens (like when all muslim states in the entire world moved out the jews into Israel) and that's not a genocide, and sometimes the other happens (when the nazis killed the jews) and that IS genocide. Trying to put an equivalence between those two things is idiotic. And if you DO that, then the arab world perpetrated a massive "genocide" in 1948, much bigger than what the Nazis did. See how crazy that is? Obviously that's not what happened!
churchill 1y ago
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- myrmidon 1y ago
  You can make a good argument that a state forcefully resettling ethnicities is a form of genocide (the Nazis did that, too, e.g. with german speaking northern Italian minorities). But comparing that with the holocaust is just disrespectful hyperbole.
  - Kim_Bruning 1y ago
    Holocaust had 6M jewish victims[1] (depending how you count). Current confirmed gaza death count is -as yet- ~65K [2], with projected ~600K at risk by year's end [3][4][5]. The original population of gaza was ~2M [6] which sets the upper bound to the crisis. (If you look at it as a % of population, it's quite a large number already.) Of course, one can argue that if the allies had been able to intervene sooner, the holocaust would have been less severe. Obviously we'd like to demonstrate some lessons learned here. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany [2] https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-update-323-gaza-strip https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-updat... [3] https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-for-first-time-in-gaza https://www.who.int/news/item/22-08-2025-famine-confirmed-fo... [4] https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2025-08/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Malnutrition_July_Sept2025_Special_Snapshot.pdf https://civil-protection-humanitarian-aid.ec.europa.eu/syste... [5] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-warn-key-food-and-nutrition-indicators-exceed-famine-thresholds-in-gaza-en-fr-es/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ipc-alert-un-agencies-wa... [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip
  - tsimionescu 1y ago
    A huge part of the Holocaust was the forced relocation of Jewish people* to concentration camps, which would have been (rightly) remembered as an inexcusable horror even if the killings in said camps hadn't been as extensive and inhuman. * and Roma, and Armenians, and others - but that's less salient here.
konmok 1y ago
Historically, forced mass migrations are usually both a mechanism and an ideological cover for genocide. People like you are an integral part of these genocides by legitimizing their actions with statements like "moving people is not genocide".

dash2 1y ago

> Systematic rape, torture, murder, of non-Jews has been their policy for decades now. I'd like some evidence for each of these three. I'm aware of the policy of interrogation which might count as "a policy of systematic torture". Can you do systematic rape and murder?

churchill 1y ago
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- incrudible 1y ago
  There is an abundance of allegations and testimony from not exactly neutral sources and a few isolated cases that have actual evidence going for them - which have been investigated and prosecuted by authorities.
- dlubarov 1y ago
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  - Kim_Bruning 1y ago
    > Jewish sources like Jewish Chronicle, ADL and JVL are largely banned, as well as all the major conservative news sources. Source? My personal rule-of-thumb is that an international news source is likely to be fairly reliable so long as it's not reporting on something that they have a conflict of interest in (eg home country/demographic).
    - dlubarov 1y ago
      The source ratings (for sources that have been discussed substantially) are on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Per...
      - monocasa 1y ago

machina_ex_deus 1y ago

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BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
I was gonna argue with the parent comment but instead here you are doing your best to prove their point. In your mind there’s one Palestinian person, multiplied by a couple million, and you hate that person. It’s the same as any racism.
tsimionescu 1y ago
> Gaza was given to the Palestinians for free in 2005. That doesn't mean anything. Israel was illegally occupying Gaza before 2005, and has been illegally blockading it since. And every single year for the past 50 years or more, Israel has murdered more Palestinians than the Palestinians have murdered Israelis - most years, at least 2 dead Palestinians for every dead Israeli. Not to mention, Netanyahu has been one of the biggest international supporters of Hamas in the world, and he has admitted to as much repeatedly: the PLA having control of Gaza would have risked a real two state solution, and he will never allow that to happen.
- machina_ex_deus 1y ago
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  - tsimionescu 1y ago
    Oh yes, the people killing tens of thousands of children are the ones who value human life.
- robertoandred 1y ago
  And Egypt was occupying it before Israel, and the British and the Ottomans and the Romans.
  - yibg 1y ago