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For me Immich has been good, but not great. I keep going back to nextcloud photos if I really want to do any work, like sharing images and file management. I r

For me Immich has been good, but not great. I keep going back to nextcloud photos if I really want to do any work, like sharing images and file management. I really don’t get having all of your images in a a library and not in a file structure. Immich can look at your external libraries but it can’t really do anything with them. I can’t injest, say my iPhone photos and then later categorize them and move them to the folder structure for more secure and stable long-term storage. I’ve wanted to like Immich and what they are doing, but I am fearful that they won’t be around forever and I will have just another wandering database of my images that I can’t really move to another platform when inevitably comes along.

oblio 1y ago
They've been around for a 3 years, which is not a very long time for FOSS. However the software seems stable, fast, it has lots of releases, all of which are good signs in terms of future availability. I forgot the name, but there is a software "law" that software that has been around for N years will probably be around for N more years (so the longer it's been around, the longer it will continue to be around). I see about 7 big contributors: https://github.com/immich-app/immich/graphs/contributors https://github.com/immich-app/immich/graphs/contributors. I think most of them work for/are sponsored by FUTO: https://futo.org/about/what-is-futo/ https://futo.org/about/what-is-futo/ And seeing the FUTO description, I like that. We need more of that :-) > FUTO is an organization dedicated to developing, both through in-house engineering and investment, technologies that frustrate centralization and industry consolidation. Though this part needs more research: > From its founding, FUTO has been funded entirely by investment from its sole owner, Eron Wolf. I have no idea who Eron Wolf is... Edit: found some more info. Potentially promising: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35914264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35914264 https://gitlab.futo.org/eron/public/-/wikis/Thoughts-on-Open-Source https://gitlab.futo.org/eron/public/-/wikis/Thoughts-on-Open... Though the question remains about FUTOs long term sustainability.
- alfyboy 1y ago
  You’re thinking about the [Lindy effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect) I donate to Immich monthly, and I’m glad they managed to keep the project going and not paywalling any of their features, even under the influence of their new sponsor.
sharperguy 1y ago
Funnily enough I use nextcloud to upload my photos and then immich with the external dir pointed to my nextcloud directory to actually view them. Mostly came about because I installed nextcloud first. But it means I get to keep both immich and still have a regular file structure.
- hagbard_c 1y ago
  Same here, I tried Nextcloud Memories first which has some of the same functionality but ended up being too slow in nearly all aspects. Immich does well in this regard so I use it just like you do using its external library feature. You may be interested in the change I submitted to Immich which makes it possible to directly log in to Immich using the Nextcloud OIDC app. Add Immich as an 'external site' and use the autoLaunch parameter [1] to have the site open in NC as if it were a 'native' app without needing to log in first. [1] https://docs.immich.app/administration/oauth/#auto-launch https://docs.immich.app/administration/oauth/#auto-launch
  - sharperguy 1y ago
    I didn't realize that nextcloud can act as an oidc provider. I use authelia for logging into nextcloud
poisonborz 1y ago
But for structuring, tagging, why would you need a database? There's the file system, and countless tools to batch edit images and exif. Immich is great to display images, and perhaps gather some bit of metadata, like face recognition.
sz4kerto 1y ago
> I really don’t get having all of your images in a a library and not in a file structure Immich can store your photos in a file structure you want. It can also reorganise your files on disk based on EXIF data, and so on. > I can’t injest, say my iPhone photos and then later categorize them and move them to the folder structure for more secure and stable long-term storage It can absolutely do exactly this. https://docs.immich.app/administration/storage-template/ https://docs.immich.app/administration/storage-template/
- kevinfiol 1y ago
  Does this make Immich effectively function like Photoview? My current Immich by default stores my uploads in an `uploads/<UUID>/<bunch of random two character folders>` structure. This was a huge disappointment after moving from Photoview.
  - stavros 1y ago
    I just had it store images in "photos/YYYY/MM/" when I set it up and that was it.
- sonar_un 1y ago
  The storage template is nothing like managing your photos within the app, moving them to different, more specific, folders. All it does is allow a type of folder structure on the main drive where the upload directories are, but if you have a more specific file structure, it doesn't allow you to manage this.
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oblio 1y ago

They've been around for a 3 years, which is not a very long time for FOSS. However the software seems stable, fast, it has lots of releases, all of which are good signs in terms of future availability. I forgot the name, but there is a software "law" that software that has been around for N years will probably be around for N more years (so the longer it's been around, the longer it will continue to be around). I see about 7 big contributors: https://github.com/immich-app/immich/graphs/contributors https://github.com/immich-app/immich/graphs/contributors. I think most of them work for/are sponsored by FUTO: https://futo.org/about/what-is-futo/ https://futo.org/about/what-is-futo/ And seeing the FUTO description, I like that. We need more of that :-) > FUTO is an organization dedicated to developing, both through in-house engineering and investment, technologies that frustrate centralization and industry consolidation. Though this part needs more research: > From its founding, FUTO has been funded entirely by investment from its sole owner, Eron Wolf. I have no idea who Eron Wolf is... Edit: found some more info. Potentially promising: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35914264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35914264 https://gitlab.futo.org/eron/public/-/wikis/Thoughts-on-Open-Source https://gitlab.futo.org/eron/public/-/wikis/Thoughts-on-Open... Though the question remains about FUTOs long term sustainability.

alfyboy 1y ago
You’re thinking about the [Lindy effect](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_effect) I donate to Immich monthly, and I’m glad they managed to keep the project going and not paywalling any of their features, even under the influence of their new sponsor.

sharperguy 1y ago

Funnily enough I use nextcloud to upload my photos and then immich with the external dir pointed to my nextcloud directory to actually view them. Mostly came about because I installed nextcloud first. But it means I get to keep both immich and still have a regular file structure.

hagbard_c 1y ago
Same here, I tried Nextcloud Memories first which has some of the same functionality but ended up being too slow in nearly all aspects. Immich does well in this regard so I use it just like you do using its external library feature. You may be interested in the change I submitted to Immich which makes it possible to directly log in to Immich using the Nextcloud OIDC app. Add Immich as an 'external site' and use the autoLaunch parameter [1] to have the site open in NC as if it were a 'native' app without needing to log in first. [1] https://docs.immich.app/administration/oauth/#auto-launch https://docs.immich.app/administration/oauth/#auto-launch
- sharperguy 1y ago
  I didn't realize that nextcloud can act as an oidc provider. I use authelia for logging into nextcloud

poisonborz 1y ago

But for structuring, tagging, why would you need a database? There's the file system, and countless tools to batch edit images and exif. Immich is great to display images, and perhaps gather some bit of metadata, like face recognition.

sz4kerto 1y ago

> I really don’t get having all of your images in a a library and not in a file structure Immich can store your photos in a file structure you want. It can also reorganise your files on disk based on EXIF data, and so on. > I can’t injest, say my iPhone photos and then later categorize them and move them to the folder structure for more secure and stable long-term storage It can absolutely do exactly this. https://docs.immich.app/administration/storage-template/ https://docs.immich.app/administration/storage-template/

kevinfiol 1y ago
Does this make Immich effectively function like Photoview? My current Immich by default stores my uploads in an `uploads/<UUID>/<bunch of random two character folders>` structure. This was a huge disappointment after moving from Photoview.
- stavros 1y ago
  I just had it store images in "photos/YYYY/MM/" when I set it up and that was it.
sonar_un 1y ago
The storage template is nothing like managing your photos within the app, moving them to different, more specific, folders. All it does is allow a type of folder structure on the main drive where the upload directories are, but if you have a more specific file structure, it doesn't allow you to manage this.

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