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> …supermajority is required, when it simply isn’t… It’s the rule they use, are you advocating here for the GOP to use some sort of rule change “nuclear option”

> …supermajority is required, when it simply isn’t… It’s the rule they use, are you advocating here for the GOP to use some sort of rule change “nuclear option” to push through the CR? Pretty sure the GOP saw (and warned against) that sort of thing back in 2013. The current makeup of the Supreme Court should give your pause about these “just change the rule” notions. Do you realize that literally what Schumer is trying to do here is to blackmail a political policy on the country that he did not have enough support to get included in the One Big Beautiful Bill right? He is holding government operations hostage because his party lost an election, the majority who were elected passed a bill that was signed into law by Trump that the dems didn’t like. The democrats are literally trying to thwart democracy with this shutdown and people on here are acting like that’s a good thing?

ModernMech 1y ago
They may not be in the majority, but they won their seats in their own elections which gives them their own power. This era is defined by realpolitik and might-makes-right use of official power. Democrats wielding their (again, legitimate) power to extract maximum leverage to thwart the agenda of the opposing party is exactly how Mitch McConnell played politics. If you're upset about this and claim it's thwarting democracy, then we can have a conversation about replacing Gorsuch with Garland.
- kcplate 1y ago
  Oh I am not upset about it, as I said elsewhere that it was their prerogative to do it which is why the dems own it. I think it’s a bad/stupid strategy, because for a shutdown to be a threat, the other side needs to not want it at all. Russell Vought is salivating over this to cut jobs, Schumer knows this (which is why he caved in March). This was a political Pascal’s wager for Trump, win or break even. For the dems there isn’t even a neutral result to forcing the shutdown—it’s just all bad. McConnell played the ace that Harry Reid passed him. Unconventional and breaking with tradition, of course, but ultimately “advice and consent” meant exactly that. The senate withheld consent for Merrick Garland. There is no doubt that given the opportunity again one day, the dems will do the same thing. Hell, it was their idea.
  - ModernMech 1y ago
    > for a shutdown to be a threat, the other side needs to not want it at all. Depends on who the other side is. Russell Vought doesn't need to answer to voters next Fall. On the other hand, the Republican representative who won a major-thin margin in my district, ousting a Democrat who delivered for their constituents, would very much like something to point at other than a shutdown for their reelection campaign.
array_key_first 1y ago
To be fair, the BBB is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever created. Period. Not even just fiscal legislation - legislation in general. Anyone who even tries to support it is either actually evil or completely clueless. Not only does it raise our deficit by trillions we actually get negative stuff in return. We're literally paying people to steal from us. Thats how incredibly shit this legislation is.
- kcplate 1y ago
  So why did you (meaning the American voters) vote to elect a GOP president, GOP senate, and preserve GOP control of the house? People seem to forget that America wanted this. None of this is a surprise and it was all vetted out during the election last year. Dems even warned about some of it, but still America chose it.
  - array_key_first 1y ago
    Because people are ignorant, they vote based off of fee fees. Nobody actually looks at policy. Also, the GOP keeps telling people they're good at fiscal policy. They're not. They've put out almost exclusively shit fiscal policy for the past 25 years. I mean, the last president to even try to lower the deficit was Clinton. But the GOP won't tell you that. They'll just fear monger about the debt ceiling and how evil Democrats burn money. And then they get into office and somehow manage to write policy so unbelievably shit that we burn EVEN MORE money.

ModernMech 1y ago

They may not be in the majority, but they won their seats in their own elections which gives them their own power. This era is defined by realpolitik and might-makes-right use of official power. Democrats wielding their (again, legitimate) power to extract maximum leverage to thwart the agenda of the opposing party is exactly how Mitch McConnell played politics. If you're upset about this and claim it's thwarting democracy, then we can have a conversation about replacing Gorsuch with Garland.

kcplate 1y ago
Oh I am not upset about it, as I said elsewhere that it was their prerogative to do it which is why the dems own it. I think it’s a bad/stupid strategy, because for a shutdown to be a threat, the other side needs to not want it at all. Russell Vought is salivating over this to cut jobs, Schumer knows this (which is why he caved in March). This was a political Pascal’s wager for Trump, win or break even. For the dems there isn’t even a neutral result to forcing the shutdown—it’s just all bad. McConnell played the ace that Harry Reid passed him. Unconventional and breaking with tradition, of course, but ultimately “advice and consent” meant exactly that. The senate withheld consent for Merrick Garland. There is no doubt that given the opportunity again one day, the dems will do the same thing. Hell, it was their idea.
- ModernMech 1y ago
  > for a shutdown to be a threat, the other side needs to not want it at all. Depends on who the other side is. Russell Vought doesn't need to answer to voters next Fall. On the other hand, the Republican representative who won a major-thin margin in my district, ousting a Democrat who delivered for their constituents, would very much like something to point at other than a shutdown for their reelection campaign.

array_key_first 1y ago

To be fair, the BBB is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever created. Period. Not even just fiscal legislation - legislation in general. Anyone who even tries to support it is either actually evil or completely clueless. Not only does it raise our deficit by trillions we actually get negative stuff in return. We're literally paying people to steal from us. Thats how incredibly shit this legislation is.

kcplate 1y ago
So why did you (meaning the American voters) vote to elect a GOP president, GOP senate, and preserve GOP control of the house? People seem to forget that America wanted this. None of this is a surprise and it was all vetted out during the election last year. Dems even warned about some of it, but still America chose it.
- array_key_first 1y ago
  Because people are ignorant, they vote based off of fee fees. Nobody actually looks at policy. Also, the GOP keeps telling people they're good at fiscal policy. They're not. They've put out almost exclusively shit fiscal policy for the past 25 years. I mean, the last president to even try to lower the deficit was Clinton. But the GOP won't tell you that. They'll just fear monger about the debt ceiling and how evil Democrats burn money. And then they get into office and somehow manage to write policy so unbelievably shit that we burn EVEN MORE money.