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> I don't think that Brexit was driven by a hatred of Europeans or European nation states. You are absolutely delusional if you truly believe that. It was the

• HK-NC 1y ago
  Sure but this wasn't fascism, this was entirely democratic. Then people got upset and wanted a do-over because the democracy didn't do the thing they wanted. And after accusing the brexiters of just being anti immigration, still nothing was done about immigration, because fuck what people want if its not what better people want. Now we have constant riots, pork pie patriots in their hundreds of thousands gathering in London, and useless promises after 20 years of lies and broken promises now that the demographics have changed massively creating a situation where one has to either do nothing or do something unsettling to revert any of this. Its like fascism for cowards.
  • bArray 1y ago
    > Sure but this wasn't fascism, this was entirely democratic. Then people got upset and wanted a do-over because the democracy didn't do the thing they wanted. Voting will continue until the correct result is achieved [1]. > And after accusing the brexiters of just being anti immigration, still nothing was done about immigration, because fuck what people want if its not what better people want. This is exactly it, they simply hold the public in contempt and believe they know better. The public has been extremely clear about it's voting intentions post-Blair. > Now we have constant riots, pork pie patriots in their hundreds of thousands gathering in London, and useless promises after 20 years of lies and broken promises now that the demographics have changed massively creating a situation where one has to either do nothing or do something unsettling to revert any of this. If only something was done 20 years ago when people originally aired their concerns. This situation was entirely foreseeable and avoidable. I think "pork pie patriots" is a very unfair characterisation, and it's that sort of denigration of them and their opinions that has led to where we are. They have legitimate concerns about the direction the UK has gone in. > Its like fascism for cowards. Are you talking about the government or the people opposing the government? [1] https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/235138 https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/235138
    • HK-NC 1y ago
      Sorry, it was an unfair comment that I meant to put in quotation marks. I speak of the government. Just stomp my throat please instead of telling me this year, after two decades, this time you promise to step off because I asked.
      • bArray 1y ago
        > Just stomp my throat please instead of telling me this year, after two decades, this time you promise to step off because I asked. That's exactly the point, the government want to remove your ability to ask. Every quango, NGO, committee, foreign court, etc, is a method to stop the citizen from deciding their own fate via elected officials.
• bArray 1y ago
  > You are absolutely delusional if you truly believe that. It was the raison d'être of the entire UKIP cause. Then you should be able to easily find sources for that point? Bare in mind that UKIP, Reform and the right-wing in the UK hold the likes of Churchill and the UK's efforts in WWII against the Nazis as a point of national pride. The UK sacrificed almost everything to save Europe, and those people would do it all over again.
  • jen20 1y ago
    Source: I watched the campaigns while living in the UK, with open eyes rather than some insane belief that what Farage and UKIP were saying out loud was actually not what they believed.
    • bArray 1y ago
      For some reason I missed the reply, apologies. > Source: I watched the campaigns while living in the UK, with open eyes [..] So there is no source then. It's just your opinion, which of course you are free to have, but it's not authoritative or peer reviewed. > [..] rather than some insane belief that what Farage and UKIP were saying out loud was actually not what they believed. So your belief is that Nigel Farage, who has been a "prominent Eurosceptic since the early 1990s" [1] and was "was first elected to the European Parliament (EP) in 1999" [1], has been hiding secret evil beliefs whilst holding a public office for more than 25 years. And not once did he slip whilst on record and say the quiet part aloud? And somehow you, a mind reader of his most inner thoughts, can correctly identify his true objective? I think delusion is yours. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage
• jpfromlondon 1y ago
  On the contrary, you've fallen for the propaganda: https://brilliantmaps.com/help-europe-crisis/ https://brilliantmaps.com/help-europe-crisis/ Most neighbourly countries: Romania, UK, and Poland (no country in Europe they weren’t willing to help). For the record I voted remain as a eurosceptic, but I know a lot of people who voted leave and not one is an overweight, red-faced, lager-swilling, hateful person who foams at the mouth at the mere mention of europe and its bureaucracy.
  • bArray 1y ago
    I've never seen this data before! I am going to look forward to going through it later, thank you.
  • jen20 1y ago
    Very unclear how that relates to the campaigns of UKIP and Farage.
    • jpfromlondon 1y ago
      hardly the attitudes of those that hate Europe, your stated reason for the brexit vote.