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> I've removed the statement because your right and wrote in haste. It happens to us all. > Someone who pushed for Brexit, supports Hard Euroscepticism, (yet

by bArray 1y ago

> I've removed the statement because your right and wrote in haste. It happens to us all. > Someone who pushed for Brexit, supports Hard Euroscepticism, (yet has an European wife) [..] I think the largest push was for sovereignty of the nation, which is a huge win for democracy. The UK shouldn't have people making important decisions that cannot be unelected. I don't think that Brexit was driven by a hatred of Europeans or European nation states. > [..] and runs a party promoting that human-made climate change isn't a thing, [..] Not sure that this is the case, I think the case being made is that net-zero is being chased religiously at the cost of economic growth. If the UK want to be a leader in AI for example, then the UK needs access to cheap reliable energy. > [..] wants immigrants thrown out of the UK is a party I don't want to imagine being in power. I think to be clear, they want economically unproductive immigrants and criminals out of the UK. This seems to be the policy of all the major parties currently. > With regards to my online activities, I'm already a terrorist for using Tor. As they say whilst taking your privacy away: "if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear".

doublerabbit 1y ago
> Not sure that this is the case, I think the case being made is that net-zero is being chased religiously at the cost of economic growth. Quoting Wikipedia here, > A late 2024 poll done by YouGov found that Reform UK voters are twice as likely as the general public, to believe that climate change is not caused by human activity > In February 2025, Tice said: "There's no evidence that man-made CO2 is going to change climate change. > In April 2025 Farage said that the current government's net zero policy was "lunacy" and that "[t]his could be the next Brexit – where Parliament is so hopelessly out of touch with the country.” > In July 2025, Reform UK's Mayor of Greater Lincolnshire, Andrea Jenkyns, said, "Do I believe that climate change exists? No." Tice being the Deputy. Of course the First isn't going to admit to it, but if the second implies it; that pretty much sets the tone of the parties agenda. With the added Mayor I would conclude that the party is anti-climate change. > If the UK want to be a leader in AI for example, then the UK needs access to cheap reliable energy. The UK will never be a leader again, we were once but threw it all away to privatisation and stripping of industries. You're only the leader when you actually produce, we rarely do that anymore. Besides "cheap reliable" is an oxymoron. Anything cheap is not reliable, anything reliable isn't cheap. Nuclear = Reliable but expensive, Renewable = Cheap but unreliable (in comparison). Where was the best place to obtain that; the best place was the EU! We decided to axe that, bravo. > I think to be clear, they want economically unproductive immigrants and criminals out of the UK. Why isn't there focus on national citizens, or can we do no harm? That primary focus is bogus. I don't rule out that immigrants are not committing crimes, I don't have time to source the stats so I'll play the devils advocate and say maybe. Maybe it's more, maybe it's less but crime is crime. If it is truly immigrants, then why have we not been tackling immigration laws? Why is it suddenly a concern now when crimes have been reported and ignored for decades? The government(s) have documented cases of these gang-crimes for years. Instead we cut funds to the police force, special services so instead of tackling proper immigration these governments swept them under the rug and instead rile folk for the sake of ?. Throw the blame of that it is immigrants when it's the corruption, stir the pots of "Your from X go back to your own country" leading to uneducated dimwitted-ness of "Your of different culture go back to your own country!" and push votes for your new corrupt agenda. We will however go for the innocent folk who have really done nothing wrong though. I want privacy as the next person, "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is as like "when the fun stops, stop!" a sponsored gambling anti-gambling advertisement campaign. When your an addict, there is no fun to stop. I enjoy walking around my apartment naked when I wake up which is why I own curtains. The government can't watch me apart from my WiFi signal. McAdverts can't advertise to me boxer briefs and Doritos for breakfest; we did have window tax once, I'm sure curtain tax will be a thing too soon.
- bArray 1y ago
  > Tice being the Deputy. Of course the First isn't going to admit to it, but if the second implies it; that pretty much sets the tone of the parties agenda. With the added Mayor I would conclude that the party is anti-climate change. I think that Reform attract a variety of views, the party is formed by the politically homeless. The Mayor of London being anti-Trump for example does not represent Labour's official position, which is one with open arms for Trump. > The UK will never be a leader again, we were once but threw it all away to privatisation and stripping of industries. You're only the leader when you actually produce, we rarely do that anymore. It could be a leader again, but it will require large political will. Part of being a leader is for the UK to not have rules dictated to it. The EU is really struggling with economic productivity itself, largely due to the red tape that the UK is now well positioned to remove. The UK should produce more. From a climate and tariff perspective, it should not be cheaper to get something made with few/little environmental standards in China and then shipped across the world. It is also mad that the climate activists do not jump on this point more. > Besides "cheap reliable" is an oxymoron. Anything cheap is not reliable, anything reliable isn't cheap. Nuclear = Reliable but expensive, Renewable = Cheap but unreliable (in comparison). The UK had a hybrid just going back a few years that was more reliable and cheaper, and even that could have been better optimised. The UK should not have higher energy costs than the EU, for example. > Why isn't there focus on national citizens, or can we do no harm? National citizens are a problem, but they are a problem the UK is stuck with. The UK should not be importing the economically unproductive from elsewhere too. At the same time, a great focus will need to be applied to national citizens that are economically unproductive. Some 3 million 16-64 are apparently permanently sick and unable to work [1]. > That primary focus is bogus. I don't rule out that immigrants are not committing crimes, I don't have time to source the stats so I'll play the devils advocate and say maybe. Maybe it's more, maybe it's less but crime is crime. Foreign nationals make up 12% of UK prisons [2], and the argument is that is should be ~0%. > If it is truly immigrants, then why have we not been tackling immigration laws? Why is it suddenly a concern now when crimes have been reported and ignored for decades? The government(s) have documented cases of these gang-crimes for years. The UK seems to have failed to introduce any real barrier to immigration into the UK since Tony Blair. The concern has been there for a long time, there was just no political will to deal with it. Immigration levels have continued to increase and the average person sees HMOs dispersed throughout the UK and on their doorstep. > We will however go for the innocent folk who have really done nothing wrong though. I want privacy as the next person, "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is as like "when the fun stops, stop!" a sponsored gambling anti-gambling advertisement campaign. When your an addict, there is no fun to stop. Being innocent is not an argument to stay in the UK. The UK will need to figure out how to keep immigrants that are productive and integrated. > I enjoy walking around my apartment naked when I wake up which is why I own curtains. The government can't watch me apart from my WiFi signal. McAdverts can't advertise to me boxer briefs and Doritos for breakfest; we did have window tax once, I'm sure curtain tax will be a thing too soon. Well, privacy is valued, and maybe privacy is a lucrative new source of tax revenue. Yes you may have your curtains and your encrypted messages, but it's going to cost you. [1] https://wecovr.com/guides/uk-sickness-crisis-1-in-5-britons-unemployed/ https://wecovr.com/guides/uk-sickness-crisis-1-in-5-britons-... [2] https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04...
jen20 1y ago
> I don't think that Brexit was driven by a hatred of Europeans or European nation states. You are absolutely delusional if you truly believe that. It was the raison d'être of the entire UKIP cause.
- HK-NC 1y ago
  Sure but this wasn't fascism, this was entirely democratic. Then people got upset and wanted a do-over because the democracy didn't do the thing they wanted. And after accusing the brexiters of just being anti immigration, still nothing was done about immigration, because fuck what people want if its not what better people want. Now we have constant riots, pork pie patriots in their hundreds of thousands gathering in London, and useless promises after 20 years of lies and broken promises now that the demographics have changed massively creating a situation where one has to either do nothing or do something unsettling to revert any of this. Its like fascism for cowards.
  - bArray 1y ago
    > Sure but this wasn't fascism, this was entirely democratic. Then people got upset and wanted a do-over because the democracy didn't do the thing they wanted. Voting will continue until the correct result is achieved [1]. > And after accusing the brexiters of just being anti immigration, still nothing was done about immigration, because fuck what people want if its not what better people want. This is exactly it, they simply hold the public in contempt and believe they know better. The public has been extremely clear about it's voting intentions post-Blair. > Now we have constant riots, pork pie patriots in their hundreds of thousands gathering in London, and useless promises after 20 years of lies and broken promises now that the demographics have changed massively creating a situation where one has to either do nothing or do something unsettling to revert any of this. If only something was done 20 years ago when people originally aired their concerns. This situation was entirely foreseeable and avoidable. I think "pork pie patriots" is a very unfair characterisation, and it's that sort of denigration of them and their opinions that has led to where we are. They have legitimate concerns about the direction the UK has gone in. > Its like fascism for cowards. Are you talking about the government or the people opposing the government? [1] https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/235138 https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/235138

by bArray 1y ago

doublerabbit 1y ago

> Not sure that this is the case, I think the case being made is that net-zero is being chased religiously at the cost of economic growth. Quoting Wikipedia here, > A late 2024 poll done by YouGov found that Reform UK voters are twice as likely as the general public, to believe that climate change is not caused by human activity > In February 2025, Tice said: "There's no evidence that man-made CO2 is going to change climate change. > In April 2025 Farage said that the current government's net zero policy was "lunacy" and that "[t]his could be the next Brexit – where Parliament is so hopelessly out of touch with the country.” > In July 2025, Reform UK's Mayor of Greater Lincolnshire, Andrea Jenkyns, said, "Do I believe that climate change exists? No." Tice being the Deputy. Of course the First isn't going to admit to it, but if the second implies it; that pretty much sets the tone of the parties agenda. With the added Mayor I would conclude that the party is anti-climate change. > If the UK want to be a leader in AI for example, then the UK needs access to cheap reliable energy. The UK will never be a leader again, we were once but threw it all away to privatisation and stripping of industries. You're only the leader when you actually produce, we rarely do that anymore. Besides "cheap reliable" is an oxymoron. Anything cheap is not reliable, anything reliable isn't cheap. Nuclear = Reliable but expensive, Renewable = Cheap but unreliable (in comparison). Where was the best place to obtain that; the best place was the EU! We decided to axe that, bravo. > I think to be clear, they want economically unproductive immigrants and criminals out of the UK. Why isn't there focus on national citizens, or can we do no harm? That primary focus is bogus. I don't rule out that immigrants are not committing crimes, I don't have time to source the stats so I'll play the devils advocate and say maybe. Maybe it's more, maybe it's less but crime is crime. If it is truly immigrants, then why have we not been tackling immigration laws? Why is it suddenly a concern now when crimes have been reported and ignored for decades? The government(s) have documented cases of these gang-crimes for years. Instead we cut funds to the police force, special services so instead of tackling proper immigration these governments swept them under the rug and instead rile folk for the sake of ?. Throw the blame of that it is immigrants when it's the corruption, stir the pots of "Your from X go back to your own country" leading to uneducated dimwitted-ness of "Your of different culture go back to your own country!" and push votes for your new corrupt agenda. We will however go for the innocent folk who have really done nothing wrong though. I want privacy as the next person, "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is as like "when the fun stops, stop!" a sponsored gambling anti-gambling advertisement campaign. When your an addict, there is no fun to stop. I enjoy walking around my apartment naked when I wake up which is why I own curtains. The government can't watch me apart from my WiFi signal. McAdverts can't advertise to me boxer briefs and Doritos for breakfest; we did have window tax once, I'm sure curtain tax will be a thing too soon.

bArray 1y ago
> Tice being the Deputy. Of course the First isn't going to admit to it, but if the second implies it; that pretty much sets the tone of the parties agenda. With the added Mayor I would conclude that the party is anti-climate change. I think that Reform attract a variety of views, the party is formed by the politically homeless. The Mayor of London being anti-Trump for example does not represent Labour's official position, which is one with open arms for Trump. > The UK will never be a leader again, we were once but threw it all away to privatisation and stripping of industries. You're only the leader when you actually produce, we rarely do that anymore. It could be a leader again, but it will require large political will. Part of being a leader is for the UK to not have rules dictated to it. The EU is really struggling with economic productivity itself, largely due to the red tape that the UK is now well positioned to remove. The UK should produce more. From a climate and tariff perspective, it should not be cheaper to get something made with few/little environmental standards in China and then shipped across the world. It is also mad that the climate activists do not jump on this point more. > Besides "cheap reliable" is an oxymoron. Anything cheap is not reliable, anything reliable isn't cheap. Nuclear = Reliable but expensive, Renewable = Cheap but unreliable (in comparison). The UK had a hybrid just going back a few years that was more reliable and cheaper, and even that could have been better optimised. The UK should not have higher energy costs than the EU, for example. > Why isn't there focus on national citizens, or can we do no harm? National citizens are a problem, but they are a problem the UK is stuck with. The UK should not be importing the economically unproductive from elsewhere too. At the same time, a great focus will need to be applied to national citizens that are economically unproductive. Some 3 million 16-64 are apparently permanently sick and unable to work [1]. > That primary focus is bogus. I don't rule out that immigrants are not committing crimes, I don't have time to source the stats so I'll play the devils advocate and say maybe. Maybe it's more, maybe it's less but crime is crime. Foreign nationals make up 12% of UK prisons [2], and the argument is that is should be ~0%. > If it is truly immigrants, then why have we not been tackling immigration laws? Why is it suddenly a concern now when crimes have been reported and ignored for decades? The government(s) have documented cases of these gang-crimes for years. The UK seems to have failed to introduce any real barrier to immigration into the UK since Tony Blair. The concern has been there for a long time, there was just no political will to deal with it. Immigration levels have continued to increase and the average person sees HMOs dispersed throughout the UK and on their doorstep. > We will however go for the innocent folk who have really done nothing wrong though. I want privacy as the next person, "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" is as like "when the fun stops, stop!" a sponsored gambling anti-gambling advertisement campaign. When your an addict, there is no fun to stop. Being innocent is not an argument to stay in the UK. The UK will need to figure out how to keep immigrants that are productive and integrated. > I enjoy walking around my apartment naked when I wake up which is why I own curtains. The government can't watch me apart from my WiFi signal. McAdverts can't advertise to me boxer briefs and Doritos for breakfest; we did have window tax once, I'm sure curtain tax will be a thing too soon. Well, privacy is valued, and maybe privacy is a lucrative new source of tax revenue. Yes you may have your curtains and your encrypted messages, but it's going to cost you. [1] https://wecovr.com/guides/uk-sickness-crisis-1-in-5-britons-unemployed/ https://wecovr.com/guides/uk-sickness-crisis-1-in-5-britons-... [2] https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04...

jen20 1y ago

> I don't think that Brexit was driven by a hatred of Europeans or European nation states. You are absolutely delusional if you truly believe that. It was the raison d'être of the entire UKIP cause.

HK-NC 1y ago
Sure but this wasn't fascism, this was entirely democratic. Then people got upset and wanted a do-over because the democracy didn't do the thing they wanted. And after accusing the brexiters of just being anti immigration, still nothing was done about immigration, because fuck what people want if its not what better people want. Now we have constant riots, pork pie patriots in their hundreds of thousands gathering in London, and useless promises after 20 years of lies and broken promises now that the demographics have changed massively creating a situation where one has to either do nothing or do something unsettling to revert any of this. Its like fascism for cowards.
- bArray 1y ago
  > Sure but this wasn't fascism, this was entirely democratic. Then people got upset and wanted a do-over because the democracy didn't do the thing they wanted. Voting will continue until the correct result is achieved [1]. > And after accusing the brexiters of just being anti immigration, still nothing was done about immigration, because fuck what people want if its not what better people want. This is exactly it, they simply hold the public in contempt and believe they know better. The public has been extremely clear about it's voting intentions post-Blair. > Now we have constant riots, pork pie patriots in their hundreds of thousands gathering in London, and useless promises after 20 years of lies and broken promises now that the demographics have changed massively creating a situation where one has to either do nothing or do something unsettling to revert any of this. If only something was done 20 years ago when people originally aired their concerns. This situation was entirely foreseeable and avoidable. I think "pork pie patriots" is a very unfair characterisation, and it's that sort of denigration of them and their opinions that has led to where we are. They have legitimate concerns about the direction the UK has gone in. > Its like fascism for cowards. Are you talking about the government or the people opposing the government? [1] https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/235138 https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/235138