> but have trouble articulating I imagine that's because it's not really a technical problem, but an issue with how the whole organization (mis)handles complex

> but have trouble articulating I imagine that's because it's not really a technical problem, but an issue with how the whole organization (mis)handles complexity, and we collectively [1] still struggle to model/name a lot of those problems. [1] Yeah yeah, I see you there in the back, you excited cyberneticist bubbling with enthusiasm to share... but I mean as a practical widespread matter.