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If you carry a radio based tracker on your person you will be tracked. This information will eventually be abused. It's not a hard conclusion to come to, and on

If you carry a radio based tracker on your person you will be tracked. This information will eventually be abused. It's not a hard conclusion to come to, and one supported by too many repetitions of abuse in both sensible and not sensible nations to disregard... but somehow it is (disregarded). Cell phones are just too useful for people to acknowledge what they are and what the solution is: stop carrying a radio tracker or at least leave it turned off most of the time.

palata 1y ago
Not sure if you're trying to make a point or just to self-congratulate yourself for thinking this since the 2000s (do you mention a date because you feel you predicted something unexpected?). Spoiler: it's obvious to anyone who knows about tech.
- superkuh 1y ago
  Not sure if you're disregarding the call to action to turn off your cell phone when not using it or if my prior point is literally playing out as we speak ("You know the problem but it's too useful to acknowledge."). I mention the date because this problem has been known by everyone, not just me, for a very long time. But it seems like others are incapable of acting on the knowledge.
  - palata 1y ago
    I do what I can with my own threat model. Actually, I probably do a lot more than what my threat model requires, just because it's interesting and for the learning experience. I don't go as far as to turn off my cell phone when not using it, but I run GrapheneOS :-). > But it seems like others are incapable of acting on the knowledge. That's wrong. They just don't understand and don't care to understand. They choose not to act, because they don't see a need. Which is true for many things and different groups. You care about turning off your cell phone, how much do you care about climate change or the mass extinction we are responsible for? I would argue that the equivalent of turning off your cell phone would at the very least be to be a vegetarian. Are you, or are you "incapable of acting on the knowledge"? :-)
myroon5 1y ago
> Or at least turn it off https://slate.com/technology/2013/07/nsa-can-reportedly-track-cellphones-even-when-they-re-turned-off.html https://slate.com/technology/2013/07/nsa-can-reportedly-trac... + sorry for tracking your comment edits ;)
- superkuh 1y ago
  So take the battery out. And before you say, I can't, well, you've made a bad choice for the world we currently live in.
  - muwtyhg 1y ago
    Yeah, just live in a cave in the middle of nowhere. A sure-fire solution for everyone! You expect SO MUCH diligence from individuals while removing any responsibility for the situation from the companies perpetrating it. I now have to make my choice of phone based on the ability to remove the battery so that I cannot be tracked by my own government? That is insane.
    - superkuh 1y ago
      Is it really that much of a problem to chose a tracking device you can turn off? We've established in this thread that it was a known thing re: the devices forever. The only difference now is that our institutions are failing us. And that's wild and crazy, yeah ("That is insane."). But being able to shut your phone/tracking device off is not a big or crazy ask. And it's not going to wildly alter your life if you do so. You should consider it seriously even if you've been lagging a bit behind, or lacking lived experience, with the state of the world. No better time to adapt to uncomfortable new realities than now.

palata 1y ago

Not sure if you're trying to make a point or just to self-congratulate yourself for thinking this since the 2000s (do you mention a date because you feel you predicted something unexpected?). Spoiler: it's obvious to anyone who knows about tech.

superkuh 1y ago
Not sure if you're disregarding the call to action to turn off your cell phone when not using it or if my prior point is literally playing out as we speak ("You know the problem but it's too useful to acknowledge."). I mention the date because this problem has been known by everyone, not just me, for a very long time. But it seems like others are incapable of acting on the knowledge.
- palata 1y ago
  I do what I can with my own threat model. Actually, I probably do a lot more than what my threat model requires, just because it's interesting and for the learning experience. I don't go as far as to turn off my cell phone when not using it, but I run GrapheneOS :-). > But it seems like others are incapable of acting on the knowledge. That's wrong. They just don't understand and don't care to understand. They choose not to act, because they don't see a need. Which is true for many things and different groups. You care about turning off your cell phone, how much do you care about climate change or the mass extinction we are responsible for? I would argue that the equivalent of turning off your cell phone would at the very least be to be a vegetarian. Are you, or are you "incapable of acting on the knowledge"? :-)

myroon5 1y ago

> Or at least turn it off https://slate.com/technology/2013/07/nsa-can-reportedly-track-cellphones-even-when-they-re-turned-off.html https://slate.com/technology/2013/07/nsa-can-reportedly-trac... + sorry for tracking your comment edits ;)

superkuh 1y ago
So take the battery out. And before you say, I can't, well, you've made a bad choice for the world we currently live in.
- muwtyhg 1y ago
  Yeah, just live in a cave in the middle of nowhere. A sure-fire solution for everyone! You expect SO MUCH diligence from individuals while removing any responsibility for the situation from the companies perpetrating it. I now have to make my choice of phone based on the ability to remove the battery so that I cannot be tracked by my own government? That is insane.
  - superkuh 1y ago
    Is it really that much of a problem to chose a tracking device you can turn off? We've established in this thread that it was a known thing re: the devices forever. The only difference now is that our institutions are failing us. And that's wild and crazy, yeah ("That is insane."). But being able to shut your phone/tracking device off is not a big or crazy ask. And it's not going to wildly alter your life if you do so. You should consider it seriously even if you've been lagging a bit behind, or lacking lived experience, with the state of the world. No better time to adapt to uncomfortable new realities than now.