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Industrialized countries generally need stability when it comes to electricity. People also want to watch TV whenever they like and take a hot shower whenever t

Industrialized countries generally need stability when it comes to electricity. People also want to watch TV whenever they like and take a hot shower whenever they feel like it.

stuaxo 1y ago
Storage helps even out spikes.
- looping__lui 1y ago
  In Germany: probably not so much when wind and PV aren’t busy for a month straight and we still need to keep our industry up and running. We’ll, I’ll take that back - we probably solved all that by running our economy into the ground
  - ViewTrick1002 1y ago
    > In Germany: probably not so much when wind and PV aren’t busy for a month straight and we still need to keep our industry up and running. Please do go ahead and show some data on when we had a month long solar eclipse without wind.
    - looping__lui 1y ago
      https://www.tech-for-future.de/dunkelflaute/ https://www.tech-for-future.de/dunkelflaute/ A couple of weeks happen from time to time
  - Sabinus 1y ago
    Pursuing an industrial strategy predicated on eternal cheap Russian gas (a strategy no doubt encouraged by Russian influence post-GDR) left Germany vulnerable to this situation. It is indeed admirable that they are willing to give it up now for principals, unlike Orban and Hungary.
    - looping__lui 1y ago
      Yeah, well, it was also very much “get rid of nuclear” that accelerated this path.
      - Sabinus 1y ago
        Allegedly the Russians also heavily encouraged the German Green movement to go hard against nuclear energy.
mrtksn 1y ago
Yes that's what nuclear and storage helps with
nicoburns 1y ago
Some things need reliable, dispatchable, energy. But a lot of demand could (and probably should) be shifted to when energy is abundant.
- looping__lui 1y ago
  In an industrialized country like Germany - not really. You’d be surprised how little day/night affect our electricity consumption…
ericd 1y ago
The hot shower thing is an interesting example, since the tanked ones generally have a lot of flexibility in when they heat the water.

Industrialized countries generally need stability when it comes to electricity. People also want to watch TV whenever they like and take a hot shower whenever they feel like it.

stuaxo 1y ago

Storage helps even out spikes.

looping__lui 1y ago
In Germany: probably not so much when wind and PV aren’t busy for a month straight and we still need to keep our industry up and running. We’ll, I’ll take that back - we probably solved all that by running our economy into the ground
- ViewTrick1002 1y ago
  > In Germany: probably not so much when wind and PV aren’t busy for a month straight and we still need to keep our industry up and running. Please do go ahead and show some data on when we had a month long solar eclipse without wind.
  - looping__lui 1y ago
    https://www.tech-for-future.de/dunkelflaute/ https://www.tech-for-future.de/dunkelflaute/ A couple of weeks happen from time to time
- Sabinus 1y ago
  Pursuing an industrial strategy predicated on eternal cheap Russian gas (a strategy no doubt encouraged by Russian influence post-GDR) left Germany vulnerable to this situation. It is indeed admirable that they are willing to give it up now for principals, unlike Orban and Hungary.
  - looping__lui 1y ago
    Yeah, well, it was also very much “get rid of nuclear” that accelerated this path.
    - Sabinus 1y ago
      Allegedly the Russians also heavily encouraged the German Green movement to go hard against nuclear energy.

mrtksn 1y ago

Yes that's what nuclear and storage helps with

nicoburns 1y ago

Some things need reliable, dispatchable, energy. But a lot of demand could (and probably should) be shifted to when energy is abundant.

looping__lui 1y ago
In an industrialized country like Germany - not really. You’d be surprised how little day/night affect our electricity consumption…

ericd 1y ago

The hot shower thing is an interesting example, since the tanked ones generally have a lot of flexibility in when they heat the water.