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If that’s all you see, you probably need to level up your soft skills. Certainly the things you’re talking about are real, and particularly severe in some envi

If that’s all you see, you probably need to level up your soft skills. Certainly the things you’re talking about are real, and particularly severe in some environments, but there’s a lot of room to improve your influence without engaging in any of that.

dfjfklei 1y ago
You have yet to meet someone at a company you work for you who does one or more of the things I listed above to successfully advance their career?
- rkomorn 1y ago
  I don't think that's their point. I think their point is that you can have influence without doing these things.
  - dfjfklei 1y ago
    Then I was misunderstood as well. As if anyone, myself included, would suggest that my listed items are the only way to influence your employer is a hilariously bad faith read. I take issue with TFA framing the problem of people saying they hate "employment politics" as a you problem when I am of the opinion it is a leadership problem. Bad leaders fail to, or refuse to, see the things I listed as "bad politics". Just take my supplements, bro. It'll fix your "soft skills", bro.
    - rkomorn 1y ago
      I think you were misunderstood as well, yes.
- hchdifnfbgbf 1y ago
  Many do. More common the further up the ladder you get. But I’ve been able to gain enough influence to affect most of the things I care about without engaging in that, unless you consider being friendly and supportive (something that did not come remotely naturally to me) to be brown-nosing. If you want to significantly influence a lot of high-level strategic decision-making at very large companies, then you do probably need to engage in nasty things like that. But most of us don’t work at that scope.
rkomorn 1y ago
> If that’s all you see, you probably need to level up your soft skills. Not OP but I honestly don't see how this comment/tone is warranted in response to what they wrote.

dfjfklei 1y ago

You have yet to meet someone at a company you work for you who does one or more of the things I listed above to successfully advance their career?

rkomorn 1y ago
I don't think that's their point. I think their point is that you can have influence without doing these things.
- dfjfklei 1y ago
  Then I was misunderstood as well. As if anyone, myself included, would suggest that my listed items are the only way to influence your employer is a hilariously bad faith read. I take issue with TFA framing the problem of people saying they hate "employment politics" as a you problem when I am of the opinion it is a leadership problem. Bad leaders fail to, or refuse to, see the things I listed as "bad politics". Just take my supplements, bro. It'll fix your "soft skills", bro.
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    I think you were misunderstood as well, yes.
hchdifnfbgbf 1y ago
Many do. More common the further up the ladder you get. But I’ve been able to gain enough influence to affect most of the things I care about without engaging in that, unless you consider being friendly and supportive (something that did not come remotely naturally to me) to be brown-nosing. If you want to significantly influence a lot of high-level strategic decision-making at very large companies, then you do probably need to engage in nasty things like that. But most of us don’t work at that scope.

rkomorn 1y ago

> If that’s all you see, you probably need to level up your soft skills. Not OP but I honestly don't see how this comment/tone is warranted in response to what they wrote.