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> will be PC laptop with ~Snapdragon (or something similar) with Linux... Before you do that really research the exact model you plan on buying, and how much s

> will be PC laptop with ~Snapdragon (or something similar) with Linux... Before you do that really research the exact model you plan on buying, and how much support it truly has in Linux. Qualcomm has not exactly lived up to their own hyped intentions of good support on Linux, and that provides a foundation of sand for hardware vendors to further drop the ball on when it comes to Linux support. Apparently, some models built on the Elite platform have reportedly great support, while others don't. My experience with Linux on ARM SoCs, outside of servers, has made me very wary about using consumer products for desktop Linux with them. You really don't want to be dependent on the vendor, or some random people in their free time, for their custom kernel forks or Linux images, and that seems to be the trend in the non-server ARM boards + Linux ecosystem.

mort96 1y ago
100%. A huge issue with the ARM ecosystem is that there's no widely adopted UEFI-like standard, so there's no runtime discovery of hardware configuration and things like the booting process and partitioning are extremely different between different machines. You pretty much need a Linux image built specifically for the particular hardware, unlike in the x86 world where you just need a Linux image which can boot using UEFI and discover all relevant hardware through either UEFI, ACPI and PCI.
- ktosobcy 1y ago
  Are there any plans to have similar solution? Is this the reason, why the Android echosystem is so abysmal when it comes to hardware driver support?
  - heavyset_go 1y ago
    The ARM server ecosystem has it solved with SBSA, which includes ACPI, UEFI, etc as part of the standard. There are some ARM consumer computers that implement UEFI, etc, though. The issue is that it's cheaper to just put together bespoke boards and not implement industry standards that are expected on PCs. Vendors don't have to worry about supporting anything other than the hardware and images they ship, so they don't see a reason to make third party OS support viable. > Is this the reason, why the Android echosystem is so abysmal when it comes to hardware driver support? Theoretically, Android should have all of the same drivers as Linux, along with Android-specific drivers that are abstracted over stable driver interface instead of the unstable Linux interface. What usually happens is the plethora of drivers that vanilla Linux ships with aren't built for, and distributed with, phones/tablets, and the Android drivers only have to support that specific board's hardware. Then, over time, the kernel doesn't get updated so new hardware won't be supported the longer you use the device. If you're asking why Android devices have poor support for Linux, the OP's answer is the exact reason why.
ktosobcy 1y ago
Thanks for the heads up. In general Linux hardware support was for a long time hit-or-miss so I kinda expected that. On the other hand I said that with the hope that the things will improve significantly by the time I will be upgrading the machine (which is still years away; I stayed with previous MBP for 8 years so I still have like 3-5 years to go :D)
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  These days x86 PCs are well supported on Linux, the kinds of problems you can encounter with ARM boards can be unique and just don't exist on PCs for a variety of reasons.
  - ktosobcy 1y ago
    Well, I don't have recent experience with Linux on real hardware since quite a long time but I'm aware that the situation improve significantly to the point where it's mostly no-issue (save for GPU drivers, ekhm) so my hope is same will happen with ARM.

mort96 1y ago

100%. A huge issue with the ARM ecosystem is that there's no widely adopted UEFI-like standard, so there's no runtime discovery of hardware configuration and things like the booting process and partitioning are extremely different between different machines. You pretty much need a Linux image built specifically for the particular hardware, unlike in the x86 world where you just need a Linux image which can boot using UEFI and discover all relevant hardware through either UEFI, ACPI and PCI.

ktosobcy 1y ago
Are there any plans to have similar solution? Is this the reason, why the Android echosystem is so abysmal when it comes to hardware driver support?
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  The ARM server ecosystem has it solved with SBSA, which includes ACPI, UEFI, etc as part of the standard. There are some ARM consumer computers that implement UEFI, etc, though. The issue is that it's cheaper to just put together bespoke boards and not implement industry standards that are expected on PCs. Vendors don't have to worry about supporting anything other than the hardware and images they ship, so they don't see a reason to make third party OS support viable. > Is this the reason, why the Android echosystem is so abysmal when it comes to hardware driver support? Theoretically, Android should have all of the same drivers as Linux, along with Android-specific drivers that are abstracted over stable driver interface instead of the unstable Linux interface. What usually happens is the plethora of drivers that vanilla Linux ships with aren't built for, and distributed with, phones/tablets, and the Android drivers only have to support that specific board's hardware. Then, over time, the kernel doesn't get updated so new hardware won't be supported the longer you use the device. If you're asking why Android devices have poor support for Linux, the OP's answer is the exact reason why.

ktosobcy 1y ago

Thanks for the heads up. In general Linux hardware support was for a long time hit-or-miss so I kinda expected that. On the other hand I said that with the hope that the things will improve significantly by the time I will be upgrading the machine (which is still years away; I stayed with previous MBP for 8 years so I still have like 3-5 years to go :D)

heavyset_go 1y ago
These days x86 PCs are well supported on Linux, the kinds of problems you can encounter with ARM boards can be unique and just don't exist on PCs for a variety of reasons.
- ktosobcy 1y ago
  Well, I don't have recent experience with Linux on real hardware since quite a long time but I'm aware that the situation improve significantly to the point where it's mostly no-issue (save for GPU drivers, ekhm) so my hope is same will happen with ARM.